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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Qwillion" data-source="post: 3139967" data-attributes="member: 14641">torture A very modern moral challenge, look at say the George Bush vs. John McCain Here in the states a former POW who was tortured (John McCain), and a air national guard pilot who wants to torture people for important potential lifesaving information (George Bush). The real moral problem you don't know what they know so you don't know if it is worth torturing them. Rust monsters, disenchanters lavawights, and shapes of fireThese all deal a type of damage that can never be restored, they cripple you, not simply kill you. In a way it is similar to torture.  It does not kill you it causes you pain and makes you weaker if not just plain weak.</blockquote>