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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BASHMAN" data-source="post: 1496295" data-attributes="member: 8277">Goofus and Galant were characters in an American children's Magazine called "Highlights".  I had it when I was a kid.  The magazine had puzzles, stories, jokes, etc, and a collumn called Goofus and Gallant.  It would basically show the two boys doing the same thing differently.  Goofus was doing it wrong, and Gallant was doing it right.  Example: Goofus runs into his room to play video games right after dinner.  Gallant offers to help clear the table and wash the dishes before playing games.  Stuff like that.  I used that as an allegory for the merits of fast-play rules vs. rules-heavy gaming.Personally, if I wanted to play something rules-heavy for the sake of realism, I would go with GURPS or CHAMPIONS.  D&D is too complicated to be simply called "class based", but it is too simplified to be called "skills based".  To some, it is a happy medium, but to others, I like one or the other.  I guess to me, the perfect "happy medium" between skills based and class based gaming would be 7th sea (the old one, not the d20 version).  Character generation took a while, like most skills based games, but gameplay was fast and easy, like a class based game.  I just think that because d20 has so many rules it really slows the gameplay down.</blockquote>