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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 1496712" data-attributes="member: 892">I may not be able to stop min maxing, but I can certainly contain it.  Let's see how modular and tinker-friendly C&C is. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Using the 3, 4-5, 6-8, 9-12, 13-15, 16-17, 18 system:Particle_Man House Rule #1: A racial ability bonus raises that ability to the lowest number in the new penalty/bonus category.  A racial ability penalty lowers that ability to the highest number in the new penalty/bonus category.  Thus if you start with a 13 and get a bonus, it becomes 16, but if you start with a 15 and get a penalty, it becomes a 12.  Exception: where the ability penalty is -2, then use the above house rule or lower the ability score 2 points, depending on which results in a lower ability score.  (So an 18 would become 16, not 17, and a 16 would both become 14 while a 17 becomes 15).The point is that I want the penalties and bonuses to be real penalties and bonuses, not hidden ones.  I liked that feature about 3E, although I like the above stat system too, since it results in slightly less godlike characters.Another option for -2 penalties, using the above house rule, is to change it to 2 separate -1 penalties, but I don't have enough info yet to make that call.  The only character that I recall from 1st ed AD&D with a -2 was the half-orc with the Chr penalty, so that could easily split to Int and Chr penalties.Another question: Do 3 and 18 act as absolute limits at character creation, or chould characters with certain races have 1, 2, or 19 in some stats?  What are the bonuses/penalties for such extreme stats?  How does giant strength work on this system?</blockquote>

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