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<blockquote data-quote="Silverblade The Ench" data-source="post: 4988274" data-attributes="member: 19083">WTH, Tyr had best not be free unless it's part of an adventure path, as I *despise* the idea of &quot;democracy&quot; on Athas, unless the players do it,&nbsp; ugh. Even then it doesn't fit, because &quot;democracy&quot; as an ideal, well, lets just say it doesn't come out of a vacuum!!People on Athas *like* overlords, why? see history and social dynamics of even today: folk LOVE having a tyrant, if he's a tyrant that keeps most folk well off, safe, runs things smart, and most &quot;folks of quality&quot; are not harassed. Many people do not want all the work they have to do, to support successful Democracies. Much easier for them to let a tyrant run things...Kalak maybe a tyrant, but his city works and is relatively safe. Elves and mages are convenient scapegoats, and the threat of the monsters of the wastes are NOT some bullcrap &quot;Eurasia/Eastasia boogeyman for the masses&quot;, as the wastelands are full of horrors that are real threats.Hey, given the choice between Kalak and his templars' tyranny, or belgoi eating your family etc...!!So, I hope this &quot;Free Tyr&quot; is *only* due to a an adventure, or possible outcome of only the PC's actions, nothing else. A &quot;Free Tyr&quot; would make a mockery of the whole of Dark SuUn, for pity's ake, ugh.If you want a &quot;free starting place&quot; for PCs well that's always bloody been there, there's NEVER been a need for a &quot;Free Tyr&quot;. Why? &quot;Slave villages&quot; (ex-slaves etc), trading forts/towns etc that the sorceror kings grasp is light or non-existant due to the necessities of trade and distance, or homebrewed &quot;Hidden towns&quot;, Underdark folk who've escaped by going &quot;morlock&quot;, and so forth.anyway&nbsp; looking forward to 4th ed Dark Sun, but a free city does NOT belong in Athas (or at leats the Tablelands), except by direct action of PCs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Silverblade The Ench, post: 4988274, member: 19083"] WTH, Tyr had best not be free unless it's part of an adventure path, as I *despise* the idea of "democracy" on Athas, [I]unless the players do it[/I], ugh. Even then it doesn't fit, because "democracy" as an ideal, well, lets just say it doesn't come out of a vacuum!! People on Athas *like* overlords, why? see history and social dynamics of even today: folk LOVE having a tyrant, [I]if he's a tyrant that keeps most folk well off, safe, runs things smart, and most "folks of quality" are not harassed[/I]. Many people do not want all the work they have to do, to support successful Democracies. Much easier for them to let a tyrant run things... Kalak maybe a tyrant, but his city [I]works [/I]and is relatively safe. Elves and mages are convenient scapegoats, and the threat of the monsters of the wastes are NOT some bullcrap "[I]Eurasia/Eastasia boogeyman for the masses[/I]", as the wastelands are full of horrors that are real threats. Hey, given the choice between Kalak and his templars' tyranny, or belgoi eating your family etc...!! So, I hope this "Free Tyr" is *only* due to a an adventure, or possible outcome of only the PC's actions, nothing else. A "Free Tyr" would make a mockery of the whole of Dark SuUn, for pity's ake, ugh. If you want a "free starting place" for PCs well that's always bloody been there, there's NEVER been a need for a "Free Tyr". Why? "Slave villages" (ex-slaves etc), trading forts/towns etc that the sorceror kings grasp is light or non-existant due to the necessities of trade and distance, or homebrewed "Hidden towns", Underdark folk who've escaped by going "morlock", and so forth. anyway looking forward to 4th ed Dark Sun, but a free city does NOT belong in Athas (or at leats the Tablelands), except by direct action of PCs. [/QUOTE]

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