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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 1046413" data-attributes="member: 7211">Drastic+2 Cha/-2 Con is a nice balance for Half-Elves, along with their half-bonuses and FC: Any I think they make a nice foil for your half-dwarf (Although the half-dwarf is getting the better end of the deal, 9/10 times), as well as presenting different options for someone who loves elves (half-elves make better warrior types (no str penalty) but worse archers).I think your dwarves are too strong with comparison to the half-orc. I'd rather see dwarf with +4 CON, -2 DEX, -2 CHA before I saw a dwarf with a strength bonus. I realise that there are sources citing dwarven strength, and if I pictured one I think it would be stronger than the average human, but the way the game plays out giving them a strength bonus (even with an appropriate negative) makes half-orcs seem sub-par as far as warriors. They still make better barbarians and rangers (marginally) because of light armor + speed + lack of wisdom penalty, but for paladins or fighters a dwarf seems almost universally better.Scent is a good option, but it doesn't stop the lack they have when side-by-side with dwarves. Quick question, are you still giving dwarves dwarven waraxe proficiency for free? Anyway the problem with half-orcs is that they are a half-race from a race with high penalties, and seeing as that race is a monster race, it has few flavorful additional abilities. The problem goes back to the parent race not being a PC race, making the offspring appearing weak. However, when they were the *only* PC race with a strength bonus, they had a good niche.The only recourse is to shave dwarves back to +2 Con, -2 Cha (but that would leave them the same as your half-dwarf) or to improve the generic Orc in the MM.MM Orc+4 Str, -2 Int, -2 Wis, -2 ChaLandspeed 30 ft.Darkvision 60 ft.Light SensitivityFC: BarbarianMM 1/2 Orc+2 Str, -2 Int, -2 ChaLandspeed 30 ft.Darkvision 60 ft.Orc BloodFC: BarbarianYour 1/2 Orc+2 Str, -2 Int, -2 ChaLandspeed 30 ft.Darkvision 60 ft.+2 Intimidate and Survival+2 Poison and DiseaseFC: AnyYour Dwarf+2 Str, -2 Dex, +2 Con, -2 ChaLandspeed 20 ft. (but always 20 ft., even in heavy armor)Darkvision 60 ft.+2 Craft and Appraise (stone or metal only)StonecunningWpn Familiarity: Dwarven Waraxe+4 vs Bull-rush or trip+2 vs Poison+2 vs Spells and Spell-like abilities+1 racial attack bonus vs orcs and goblinoids+4 dodge vs giantsFC: FighterIf you have Races of Faerun, it presents the Gray Orc which is as the 1/2 orc except also +2 Wis, +10 speed, Scent, Prof with Greataxe and Longbow, Light Sensitivity, and FC: Cleric. Not worth the +1 level adjustment imo. Give them +4 Str (instead of +2) and now we're talking (for a +1 ECL), and maybe this is a better template to base your 1/2 orc.1/2 Gray Orc (with +4 Str)+2 Str, -2 ChaLandspeed 30 ft.Proficient with Greataxe and Longbow if raised by Gray Orcs.Darkvision 60 ft.+2 Intimidate and Survival+2 vs Poison and DiseaseScentFC: AnyAlternately, it seems like giving Toughness as a bonus feat to Orcs and Half-Orcs would be a good compromise. This would ensure that orcs are tougher than humans (generally) at levels 1, 2, and 3 pound for pound, but at higher levels wouldn't mean as much. Might also encourage the occasional spellcaster to give it a try.Nice Work.Technik</blockquote>

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