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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 8247636" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>I've been thinking about this thread more, and I have thoughts...</p><p></p><p>1: Archery is OP in 5e, in part because dex is OP. That Kensei monk I mentioned? I was in a group where our fighter was a dex-based battlemaster, so we had <em>two</em> excellent archers in the party (and the rogue was not slouch either). We were doing the Dragon of Icespire Peak adventure, and the GM was newish and not used to "ranged parties". We also had a druid that would use control spells to pin/delay the foes from reaching us and... it was <em>murderous</em>. And if we were forced in melee well... the BM and Monk were preeety decent in melee as well!</p><p></p><p>I fear an archer focused class would only make things worse.</p><p></p><p>(the reason why ranged is too strong in 5e is a: too many monsters are melee only b: dex adds damage to some melee weapons c: a number of ranged penalties that are very realistic (firing into melee...) are gone in 5e, or can be avoided with the sharpshooter feat) </p><p></p><p>2: The battlemaster is an excellent archer platform, and a number of BM maneuvers are not exclusive to melee. You can trip with an arrow for example (which is <em>devastating</em> vs flying creatures). I just took a look and <em>most</em> maneuvers are not melee-specific!</p><p></p><p>3: If you separate archery from the fighter, the fighter is not a fighter anymore. They are a swordsman, an axewoman, something...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 8247636, member: 23"] I've been thinking about this thread more, and I have thoughts... 1: Archery is OP in 5e, in part because dex is OP. That Kensei monk I mentioned? I was in a group where our fighter was a dex-based battlemaster, so we had [I]two[/I] excellent archers in the party (and the rogue was not slouch either). We were doing the Dragon of Icespire Peak adventure, and the GM was newish and not used to "ranged parties". We also had a druid that would use control spells to pin/delay the foes from reaching us and... it was [I]murderous[/I]. And if we were forced in melee well... the BM and Monk were preeety decent in melee as well! I fear an archer focused class would only make things worse. (the reason why ranged is too strong in 5e is a: too many monsters are melee only b: dex adds damage to some melee weapons c: a number of ranged penalties that are very realistic (firing into melee...) are gone in 5e, or can be avoided with the sharpshooter feat) 2: The battlemaster is an excellent archer platform, and a number of BM maneuvers are not exclusive to melee. You can trip with an arrow for example (which is [I]devastating[/I] vs flying creatures). I just took a look and [I]most[/I] maneuvers are not melee-specific! 3: If you separate archery from the fighter, the fighter is not a fighter anymore. They are a swordsman, an axewoman, something... [/QUOTE]
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