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<blockquote data-quote="Mark" data-source="post: 907041" data-attributes="member: 5"><p>Just as I find saying something sucks in total when you are only familiar with a portion of it is ridiculous. So let's delve further into your reasoning and see if we can't sort this out a bit, eh? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>OK. Fair enough. That has nothing to do with someone <em>saying</em> the whole show sucked, does it? Except that they are saying something based on knowing merely a portion, correct?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps. But more likely that they larger the portion they saw the more qualified they might be to stand in judgment of the whole with anything resembling credible authority.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I stated no premise but your assumption is nearly correct. "...people would have to sit and watch a show they hated to properly claim that it was poor"...<em>in its entirety...</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You have an Internet connection so I assume that, like me, you read a great deal of material that turns out to have little to no value, not even as a passing entertainment. I think we should both forego statements about masochistic tendancies... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then I would have to suggest that you could fairly give your opinion on the first season, but I would hasten to remind you that the quality of all of the series connected with ST were of much lower quality in their first season compared to latter seasons.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Clarify beyond generalizations, if you can please.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>During the course of the first season of any of the ST series characters were only beginning to develop. Enterprise has probably had the characters that have shown the most development in a short period of time whereas the chaarcters from TOS, barring Spock, may have shown the least development throughout the course of the entire series. What was it about the Doctor that allowed you not to be annoyed by his character?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The premise of the show was that a ship gets propelled far away from the area of space that is known and strives to return even though it is a much longer journey than could theorectically be done in a single lifetime of the majority of the crew (vulcans, and perhaps a few others as exceptions.) How is that weak?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As with most series, jumping in late can be difficult. The most difficult of the ST series to do such a thing may have been DS9 where the characters and plots seemed to be most intertwined from episode to episode and season to season.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No problem. Let's discuss what you know and leave aside what you do not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Can you be more specific beyond "sucked"? If you cannot, that's fine. I'll make note of that and whenever a Voyager discussion comes up I'll already have that opinion in mind and we can save you the trouble of chiming in, OK? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's rather odd. I found Kes to be a bit annoying and didn't really enojoy the show as much in the earlier episodes. Her voice was kinda grating, to me, and she had a condescending lilt to it. Some people I know have called it "soothing" while others agreed with me. A lot of people have mentioned in the past that they didn't enjoy the show until Seven of Nine came on the scene.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark, post: 907041, member: 5"] Just as I find saying something sucks in total when you are only familiar with a portion of it is ridiculous. So let's delve further into your reasoning and see if we can't sort this out a bit, eh? :) OK. Fair enough. That has nothing to do with someone [i]saying[/i] the whole show sucked, does it? Except that they are saying something based on knowing merely a portion, correct? Perhaps. But more likely that they larger the portion they saw the more qualified they might be to stand in judgment of the whole with anything resembling credible authority. I stated no premise but your assumption is nearly correct. "...people would have to sit and watch a show they hated to properly claim that it was poor"...[i]in its entirety...[/i] You have an Internet connection so I assume that, like me, you read a great deal of material that turns out to have little to no value, not even as a passing entertainment. I think we should both forego statements about masochistic tendancies... ;) Then I would have to suggest that you could fairly give your opinion on the first season, but I would hasten to remind you that the quality of all of the series connected with ST were of much lower quality in their first season compared to latter seasons. Clarify beyond generalizations, if you can please. During the course of the first season of any of the ST series characters were only beginning to develop. Enterprise has probably had the characters that have shown the most development in a short period of time whereas the chaarcters from TOS, barring Spock, may have shown the least development throughout the course of the entire series. What was it about the Doctor that allowed you not to be annoyed by his character? The premise of the show was that a ship gets propelled far away from the area of space that is known and strives to return even though it is a much longer journey than could theorectically be done in a single lifetime of the majority of the crew (vulcans, and perhaps a few others as exceptions.) How is that weak? As with most series, jumping in late can be difficult. The most difficult of the ST series to do such a thing may have been DS9 where the characters and plots seemed to be most intertwined from episode to episode and season to season. No problem. Let's discuss what you know and leave aside what you do not. Can you be more specific beyond "sucked"? If you cannot, that's fine. I'll make note of that and whenever a Voyager discussion comes up I'll already have that opinion in mind and we can save you the trouble of chiming in, OK? :) That's rather odd. I found Kes to be a bit annoying and didn't really enojoy the show as much in the earlier episodes. Her voice was kinda grating, to me, and she had a condescending lilt to it. Some people I know have called it "soothing" while others agreed with me. A lot of people have mentioned in the past that they didn't enjoy the show until Seven of Nine came on the scene. [/QUOTE]
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