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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 3637322" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>I think that racial levels are a good option, if you already have them in some books to cover all the races you want...</p><p></p><p>If you have to make some of them up yourself, try to keep it simple. Don't get a headache over perfect balance, which you will never get, and just remember their LA is "paid" quite quickly (assuming you use +2 or +3 LA races at most) so even some imbalances during racial levels won't last that long.</p><p></p><p>To make it simple:</p><p>- every trait/feature that normal races have an equivalent of, is granted at 1st racial level</p><p>- the extra goodies are granted in the following levels only (except penalties, which are granted at 1st)</p><p></p><p>An example with the Drow (LA +1). For example, someone plays a Drow Wizard. These are the Drow racial stuff:</p><p></p><p> +2 Intelligence, +2 Charisma.</p><p>* Darkvision out to 120 feet. </p><p> Spell resistance equal to 11 + class levels.</p><p>* +2 racial bonus on Will saves against spells and spell-like abilities.</p><p> Spell-Like Abilities: dancing lights, darkness, faerie fire.</p><p>* Weapon Proficiency: automatically proficient with the hand crossbow, the rapier, and the short sword. </p><p>* Automatic Languages and Bonus Languages</p><p>* Light Blindness: Abrupt exposure to bright light (such as sunlight or a daylight spell) blinds drow for 1 round. On subsequent rounds, they are dazzled as long as they remain in the affected area.</p><p>* Favored Class: Wizard or Cleric</p><p></p><p>At 1st level, the character gets all the wizard's class features, plus those marked with *. He gets the rest at the second level.</p><p></p><p>Alternatively, you can break down the individual ones, like giving half the save bonuses, half the spell resistance, half of the proficiencies, and one only of the +2 ability bonuses in the 1st level, and the "other half" at level 2. The idea here is just to "split up" the bonuses during the levels, but unlike racial levels you can start with the 1st level in a class.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, AFAIK the existing system doesn't allow that.... it rather tells the DM not to allow a LA race unless <em>the whole party</em> starts at higher enough level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 3637322, member: 1465"] I think that racial levels are a good option, if you already have them in some books to cover all the races you want... If you have to make some of them up yourself, try to keep it simple. Don't get a headache over perfect balance, which you will never get, and just remember their LA is "paid" quite quickly (assuming you use +2 or +3 LA races at most) so even some imbalances during racial levels won't last that long. To make it simple: - every trait/feature that normal races have an equivalent of, is granted at 1st racial level - the extra goodies are granted in the following levels only (except penalties, which are granted at 1st) An example with the Drow (LA +1). For example, someone plays a Drow Wizard. These are the Drow racial stuff: +2 Intelligence, +2 Charisma. * Darkvision out to 120 feet. Spell resistance equal to 11 + class levels. * +2 racial bonus on Will saves against spells and spell-like abilities. Spell-Like Abilities: dancing lights, darkness, faerie fire. * Weapon Proficiency: automatically proficient with the hand crossbow, the rapier, and the short sword. * Automatic Languages and Bonus Languages * Light Blindness: Abrupt exposure to bright light (such as sunlight or a daylight spell) blinds drow for 1 round. On subsequent rounds, they are dazzled as long as they remain in the affected area. * Favored Class: Wizard or Cleric At 1st level, the character gets all the wizard's class features, plus those marked with *. He gets the rest at the second level. Alternatively, you can break down the individual ones, like giving half the save bonuses, half the spell resistance, half of the proficiencies, and one only of the +2 ability bonuses in the 1st level, and the "other half" at level 2. The idea here is just to "split up" the bonuses during the levels, but unlike racial levels you can start with the 1st level in a class. Well, AFAIK the existing system doesn't allow that.... it rather tells the DM not to allow a LA race unless [I]the whole party[/I] starts at higher enough level. [/QUOTE]
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