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More realistic characters. Nitty-gritty campaign. Determining what levels/abilities mean?
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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 6109210" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>As far as I'm aware, Paizo class levels 1-5 as "low-level", levels 6-12 as "mid-level", and levels 13+ as "high-level". In general, I've found this to be pretty much spot-on, at least in 3.5e; I'm not sure whether Pathfinder is exactly the same.</p><p></p><p>My rule of thumb, which is by no means universal of course, is that PCs in the low levels are basically human - the kinds of things that they can do without magic are broadly what a real-world person can do. (In the case of non-human characters or any instances of magic, you of course have to extrapolate.) That's not perfect of course - notably, the hit point system is in no way realistic.</p><p></p><p>However, even in those low levels, indeed even at level 1, the PCs are a "cut above" - they're not superhuman, but they are exceptional individuals, the best of the best. This is reflected in the fact that PCs get 28 point buy instead of the NPC's 15, they get maximum hit points at first level, and they get to use PC rather than NPC classes.</p><p></p><p>Once you move to the mid-levels, PCs are strictly superhuman in their capabilities, but they remain recognisable. That is, they can do things that the man on the street simply can't, but it remains possible to envisage how they would do these things. They're Aragorn, or Lancelot - you hear tales about how they fought off a horde of orcs single-handedly... but they don't outright fly, or fight gods, or whatever. (Again, you need to extrapolate for a magical universe.)</p><p></p><p>And at high-levels, the PCs are veritable demigods, and virtually no tale you might hear about their skills is too "out there".</p><p></p><p>FWIW, I peg the four hobbits from LotR as 1st level when they leave the Shire (specifically, Sam <em>becomes</em> 1st level when he stops, says "if I take one more step", and then takes that step), and rising to 5th level by the "Scouring of the Shire". I peg Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli at 6th level when they leave Rivendell, rising to 12th level by the end. (Boromir, the greatest of all warriors amongst Men, is 5th level at the Council of Elrond.) And Gandalf is 12th level at the start of LotR, attaining 13th level (and thus "high level") when he defeats the Balrog.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 6109210, member: 22424"] As far as I'm aware, Paizo class levels 1-5 as "low-level", levels 6-12 as "mid-level", and levels 13+ as "high-level". In general, I've found this to be pretty much spot-on, at least in 3.5e; I'm not sure whether Pathfinder is exactly the same. My rule of thumb, which is by no means universal of course, is that PCs in the low levels are basically human - the kinds of things that they can do without magic are broadly what a real-world person can do. (In the case of non-human characters or any instances of magic, you of course have to extrapolate.) That's not perfect of course - notably, the hit point system is in no way realistic. However, even in those low levels, indeed even at level 1, the PCs are a "cut above" - they're not superhuman, but they are exceptional individuals, the best of the best. This is reflected in the fact that PCs get 28 point buy instead of the NPC's 15, they get maximum hit points at first level, and they get to use PC rather than NPC classes. Once you move to the mid-levels, PCs are strictly superhuman in their capabilities, but they remain recognisable. That is, they can do things that the man on the street simply can't, but it remains possible to envisage how they would do these things. They're Aragorn, or Lancelot - you hear tales about how they fought off a horde of orcs single-handedly... but they don't outright fly, or fight gods, or whatever. (Again, you need to extrapolate for a magical universe.) And at high-levels, the PCs are veritable demigods, and virtually no tale you might hear about their skills is too "out there". FWIW, I peg the four hobbits from LotR as 1st level when they leave the Shire (specifically, Sam [i]becomes[/i] 1st level when he stops, says "if I take one more step", and then takes that step), and rising to 5th level by the "Scouring of the Shire". I peg Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli at 6th level when they leave Rivendell, rising to 12th level by the end. (Boromir, the greatest of all warriors amongst Men, is 5th level at the Council of Elrond.) And Gandalf is 12th level at the start of LotR, attaining 13th level (and thus "high level") when he defeats the Balrog. [/QUOTE]
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