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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 958806" data-attributes="member: 6875">Re: Re: Re: More Shadow Conjuration questions...Depends; keep reading.Note that you can ALWAYS voluntarily fail your save (you're assumed to do so when the party cleric casts Cure Moderate Wounds on you, for example).I would say ... yes.  They would GET that save, the first time they attack you and miss because of the +4 AC bonus of the mage armor.Not 20% of it's benefit exactly (which boils down to "nothing", as you cannot get +0.8 AC), but, since SOME of the force effect around you is [shadow]-based, every time you are struck by someone who has made their save to disbelieve (see above), there is a 20% chance you get the armor bonus ANYway.And, actually ... I like illusion.  I like illusionist specialist wizards ... and for a Sorceror, nothing ups your versatility like the (Greater) Shadow ___ spells, and the like.I've got a sorceror in a 1st-level arena ... and against other 1st and 2d level opponents, color spray absolutely ROCKS (save DC is 18, heh).</blockquote>