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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Davelozzi" data-source="post: 3286220" data-attributes="member: 771">I have 7-8 players now and used to have a couple more, but that's not because I want to have the group that big, simply because I have a number of friends who like to play (and no one else in my core group generally runs anything).  Things are definitely pretty slow this way and I think we'd have more fun with a smaller group.That said, I feel like the larger group was less of a problem in 1e & 2e.  Mostly this is because the rules were less rules (I don't want to get into an edition war, and understand that 3e streamlined a lot with the core mechanic, but the sheer weight of options with feats, spells, PrCs, etc. definitely makes for a more complicated experience overall).  Of course another issue is simply that before there wasn't really a core assumption about the size of your group but now it is wired into the whole CR/EL system.  I would certainly prefer a smaller group, and I would agree with some of the previous posters that 4-6 is the ideal range, with 5 players being optimal.  Even if it means loosening up or evening letting go of the CR/EL system, I would prefer for the game to assume more of a range like this.</blockquote>