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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3351216" data-attributes="member: 2525">You are ignoring the lack of choices this prestige class forces on you - and that IS a significant thing to give up.Your domains are fixed to Sun and Healing, if you want to use all the abilities of the prestige class.&nbsp; And the healing domain is awful.&nbsp; Even WOTC admits the healing domain is really really lame for the cleric.&nbsp; Almost nobody would choose that domain unless forced to do so.&nbsp; Heck, the second level power of this prestige class should probably itself be the granted power of the healing domain just to give people an incentive to take it in the first place.&nbsp; That is a drawback.Extra turning is not a great feat on it's own.&nbsp; If a cleric were to take it, it is almost always because they need it to power some other feat they are planned on choosing.&nbsp; That is also a drawback.5 ranks in healing and 9 in knowledge religion is also a drawback.&nbsp; Intelligence is a dump stat for most Clerics, and they only get 2 skill points per level.&nbsp; That means devoting most of your skill points to those two relatively weak skills for about a quarter of your adventuring career.Taking this prestige class does in fact have significant drawbacks, because it takes away options from you and makes you take options that are well known for being sub-optimal.&nbsp; I really wish people would stop calling this prestige class &quot;Cleric+&quot;.&nbsp; It just isn't that.&nbsp; Normal clerics have more choices than this particular kind of cleric, and this game is often about choices and having your options open to go in different directions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3351216, member: 2525"] You are ignoring the lack of choices this prestige class forces on you - and that IS a significant thing to give up. Your domains are fixed to Sun and Healing, if you want to use all the abilities of the prestige class. And the healing domain is awful. Even WOTC admits the healing domain is really really lame for the cleric. Almost nobody would choose that domain unless forced to do so. Heck, the second level power of this prestige class should probably itself be the granted power of the healing domain just to give people an incentive to take it in the first place. That is a drawback. Extra turning is not a great feat on it's own. If a cleric were to take it, it is almost always because they need it to power some other feat they are planned on choosing. That is also a drawback. 5 ranks in healing and 9 in knowledge religion is also a drawback. Intelligence is a dump stat for most Clerics, and they only get 2 skill points per level. That means devoting most of your skill points to those two relatively weak skills for about a quarter of your adventuring career. Taking this prestige class does in fact have significant drawbacks, because it takes away options from you and makes you take options that are well known for being sub-optimal. I really wish people would stop calling this prestige class "Cleric+". It just isn't that. Normal clerics have more choices than this particular kind of cleric, and this game is often about choices and having your options open to go in different directions. [/QUOTE]

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