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<blockquote data-quote="EyeontheMountain" data-source="post: 3352107" data-attributes="member: 32338">Let me say I agree totally about Radiant Servant. It is about the best cleric prestige class out there, and its main power vs undead is good, and may even make turning undead viable. It sucks to be a 12th level cleric who cannot turn a 15 HD zombie. Pretty humiliating, especially for those of us from 2E where type of undead rules, not HD. Hard to beleive that a high HD zombie is harder to turn than a Lich. Jsut something wrong there.But to go to my listing of initiate.Initiate has a lot of wasted feats to get into it. I mean SF abjuration? If Spell Focus added to Caster Level it would rule, but how many abjurations have save DCs? Other than banishment and such?The thing that bothers me about the class is the reactive warding, especially when they get to all seven veils. That is virtual (or total) immunity to any attack in the game. Add onthe seven levels of spellcasting, and it is a pretty good class, and should be watched, though it is nowhere near the level of Incantrix brokeness. Man, that class jsut gets more and more broken as the new books come out. As for Pious Templert, I did not list it and am not sure why it was listed. Yes, Mettle+Evasion is a nice combo, but it is not much better than Evasion alone. How many will and Fortitude partial spells are out there and need to be feared? I can't think of many. Plus if you want mettle there are other wayts to get it, though granted not at 1st level. But that is a cherry-picking problem, not a problem of the class as a whole. I did not list classes that should be watched for cherry picking, but that would make a good lsit also.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EyeontheMountain, post: 3352107, member: 32338"] Let me say I agree totally about Radiant Servant. It is about the best cleric prestige class out there, and its main power vs undead is good, and may even make turning undead viable. It sucks to be a 12th level cleric who cannot turn a 15 HD zombie. Pretty humiliating, especially for those of us from 2E where type of undead rules, not HD. Hard to beleive that a high HD zombie is harder to turn than a Lich. Jsut something wrong there. But to go to my listing of initiate. Initiate has a lot of wasted feats to get into it. I mean SF abjuration? If Spell Focus added to Caster Level it would rule, but how many abjurations have save DCs? Other than banishment and such? The thing that bothers me about the class is the reactive warding, especially when they get to all seven veils. That is virtual (or total) immunity to any attack in the game. Add onthe seven levels of spellcasting, and it is a pretty good class, and should be watched, though it is nowhere near the level of Incantrix brokeness. Man, that class jsut gets more and more broken as the new books come out. As for Pious Templert, I did not list it and am not sure why it was listed. Yes, Mettle+Evasion is a nice combo, but it is not much better than Evasion alone. How many will and Fortitude partial spells are out there and need to be feared? I can't think of many. Plus if you want mettle there are other wayts to get it, though granted not at 1st level. But that is a cherry-picking problem, not a problem of the class as a whole. I did not list classes that should be watched for cherry picking, but that would make a good lsit also. [/QUOTE]

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