Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Most broken prestige classes?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 3353558" data-attributes="member: 8158"><p>A fairly obtuse response, as I did not merely suggest "they're not the same", I said you'd made an outright flawed analogy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The point does not stand. The point has in fact been dismantled, with reasons I clearly laid out. The RSoP retains the cleric's primary class feature (spellcasting progression), while the Tempest does not retain the fighter's primary class feature (bonus feats). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not at all, and again I explained it all for anyone willing to read and accept the facts. If someone's playing a hardcore 2WF build, then every feat that character takes should augment 2WF. Dodge, Mobility, and Spring Attack simply don't do that, and the latter two are antithetical. Even the 5th-level capstone, Two-Weapon Spring attack, offers a limited payback. The character has gone 5 levels in a class to get what benefit exactly? He'll have a BAB of at least +11, so if he's a serious 2WFer he does he not bounce around making two stabs a round. He gets up close and buzzsaws his opponents with six attacks (or seven, with the right items), and stays there until the opposition is pureed. So, 2WSA nets him one free attack while closing, which you can out of the Two-Weapon Pounce feat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps, but the radiant servant could have been a little more balanced against its features. Seems like missing one level of progression at second or third level would have done the trick. And where does the martial weapon proficiency even come from? Lowered to rogue hit dice, but given access to martial weapons? Anyone else smell a non sequitor? It's not like this is at all common; PrC's almost never offer weapon or armor proficiiences. Heck, these days prestige classes don't even bother including weapon and armor proficiencies in their descriptions anymore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felon, post: 3353558, member: 8158"] A fairly obtuse response, as I did not merely suggest "they're not the same", I said you'd made an outright flawed analogy. The point does not stand. The point has in fact been dismantled, with reasons I clearly laid out. The RSoP retains the cleric's primary class feature (spellcasting progression), while the Tempest does not retain the fighter's primary class feature (bonus feats). Not at all, and again I explained it all for anyone willing to read and accept the facts. If someone's playing a hardcore 2WF build, then every feat that character takes should augment 2WF. Dodge, Mobility, and Spring Attack simply don't do that, and the latter two are antithetical. Even the 5th-level capstone, Two-Weapon Spring attack, offers a limited payback. The character has gone 5 levels in a class to get what benefit exactly? He'll have a BAB of at least +11, so if he's a serious 2WFer he does he not bounce around making two stabs a round. He gets up close and buzzsaws his opponents with six attacks (or seven, with the right items), and stays there until the opposition is pureed. So, 2WSA nets him one free attack while closing, which you can out of the Two-Weapon Pounce feat. Perhaps, but the radiant servant could have been a little more balanced against its features. Seems like missing one level of progression at second or third level would have done the trick. And where does the martial weapon proficiency even come from? Lowered to rogue hit dice, but given access to martial weapons? Anyone else smell a non sequitor? It's not like this is at all common; PrC's almost never offer weapon or armor proficiiences. Heck, these days prestige classes don't even bother including weapon and armor proficiencies in their descriptions anymore. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Most broken prestige classes?
Top