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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Someone" data-source="post: 3354953" data-attributes="member: 5656">That's rich coming from you.No, it's not, as you would understand if you tried to understanb the argument better. Then you may would be able to the plank in your eye. The argument repeated by the Radiant servant's bashers is that once you have all the requisites there's no reason not to take the class. And I seriously believe that once you have the requisites is better to go into tempest than continuing adquiring fighter levels.You dismantled nothing: those reasons are nothing but a big fat red herring. If a tempest lose 2 and a half feats compared to a fighter means nothing when he gets better skills and gains class abilities worth of 5 or more feats. The fact that all tempest will have Spring attack and by you Spring attack is worth <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> for TWFers isn't relevant at all, because Spring attack belongs to the class' requisitesBut if you have a problem with the Tempest analogy, I have others for you: by the Radiant servant is cleric+ crowd, the arcane trickster is better wizard than the wizard, because once you have the requisites arcane trickster offers a ton of benefits in exchange for two bonus feats. The Mystic theurge is better wizard than the wiard because once you have the requisites is a no brainer to take Mystic theurge instead of Wizard levels. The archmage is better wizard than the wizard because once you have the requisites Archmage gets additional features. The divine oracle is a better cleric than the cleric because once you have the requisites the divine oracle has the cleric's spellcasting progression and additional features.If you are tempted to discuss the power of builds of those classes, please don't. It's not what the argument is about.Yeah, martial weapon proficiencies is so broken compared to, say, Deathless Frenzy, that is no surprise that Radiant servants always end in "most broken prestige classes threads". True that it's abit strange, but it's a bit laughable to see people tearing his hair off because of that.</blockquote>

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