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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Madred" data-source="post: 4640841" data-attributes="member: 82185">ok then, agree that with some feats, 2 to be exact (probably chain then scale) the twf ranger will compensate for his low AC, but, still wont compensate for his lack of initiative.all in all, lets say that at paragon levels the twf ranger will be on par with the archer ranger. just have to go thru a few level with a somewhat bad AC, or bad hps, or bad weapons, or bad ini, or whatever else he needs feats to boost.but don't get me wrong, I am not an ardent 'archer ranger' fan. I just think that its probably the easiest, strongest, simplest, 'out of the box', and a tad on the overpowered side, build. (hence the reason for posting in this thread)I still think the ranger archer and  battlerager are being the 2 strongest guys right now.BUT,I am "not" saying the others characters are not necessary. (aside from greatweapon fighter and straladin and maybe starpact wlock).+ in the end, what matters is that everyone is having fun with their chars.though, if you happen to have either the battlerager or ranger archer in a team, well, some other chars that focus on the same things as them might feel slightly.. overshadowed.Not as much as being totally useless, but just not, as edgy.</blockquote>