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<blockquote data-quote="Secthay" data-source="post: 6291153" data-attributes="member: 6776028"><p><strong>I agree with the initial post about rogues.</strong></p><p></p><p>I have been playing a game with a halfling rogue, dragonborn paladin, dwarven fighter & my (recently deceased) elven ranger. (We were all Level 4 at time of writing)</p><p></p><p>The rogue seems incredibly overpowered.</p><p>His base armor class is only 1 lower than the paladins (& his other defences aren't far off) However, he has a bonus against opportunity attacks & anything that attacks him gets hit by a riposite strike most turns. He also has second chance to stop any crits.</p><p></p><p>His damage output & hit to miss ratio is far higher than my ranger's.</p><p></p><p>Here are his Riposite strike calculations:</p><p></p><p>Attack: Dex (7) + Combat advantage (2) = +11 vs AC</p><p></p><p>Hit: 1 [W] (1D6) + Dex (7) + Two Weapon Fighting (1) + Sneak attack (2D8) Max = 32</p><p></p><p>If the target tries to attack him before he can do it again, hit him first.</p><p></p><p>Attack: Str (4) + Combat advantage (2) = +6 vs AC</p><p></p><p>Hit: 1 [W] (1D6) + Strength (4) + Two Weapon Fighting (1) + Sneak attack (2D8) Max = 27</p><p></p><p>So... Two attacks that will probably hit, dealing a maximum of 59. Level 4. At-will.</p><p>(He almost always had combat advantage too, with a mix of his racial higher initiative thing & tumble letting him get wherever he needed to be to kill them best.</p><p></p><p>My ranger on the other hand.</p><p></p><p>His most damaging attack, Two Fanged Strike</p><p></p><p>Attack Both: Dex (7) + Prime Shot (1) = +8 Vs AC</p><p></p><p>Hit 1: 1[W] (1D10) + Dex (7) + Hunter's Quarry (1D8) Max = 25</p><p></p><p>Hit 2: 1[W] (1D10) + Dex (7) Max = 17</p><p></p><p>If (& only if) both attacks hit + Wis (5)</p><p></p><p>Total Maximum: 47 With attacks that are pretty likely to miss.</p><p></p><p>I don't understand how he is capable of being the best striker & the best defender simultaneously. It's not just that we are complete scrubs & he's power gaming. The rest of us have gone through everything & we can't seem to find a way to compete with that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Secthay, post: 6291153, member: 6776028"] [b]I agree with the initial post about rogues.[/b] I have been playing a game with a halfling rogue, dragonborn paladin, dwarven fighter & my (recently deceased) elven ranger. (We were all Level 4 at time of writing) The rogue seems incredibly overpowered. His base armor class is only 1 lower than the paladins (& his other defences aren't far off) However, he has a bonus against opportunity attacks & anything that attacks him gets hit by a riposite strike most turns. He also has second chance to stop any crits. His damage output & hit to miss ratio is far higher than my ranger's. Here are his Riposite strike calculations: Attack: Dex (7) + Combat advantage (2) = +11 vs AC Hit: 1 [W] (1D6) + Dex (7) + Two Weapon Fighting (1) + Sneak attack (2D8) Max = 32 If the target tries to attack him before he can do it again, hit him first. Attack: Str (4) + Combat advantage (2) = +6 vs AC Hit: 1 [W] (1D6) + Strength (4) + Two Weapon Fighting (1) + Sneak attack (2D8) Max = 27 So... Two attacks that will probably hit, dealing a maximum of 59. Level 4. At-will. (He almost always had combat advantage too, with a mix of his racial higher initiative thing & tumble letting him get wherever he needed to be to kill them best. My ranger on the other hand. His most damaging attack, Two Fanged Strike Attack Both: Dex (7) + Prime Shot (1) = +8 Vs AC Hit 1: 1[W] (1D10) + Dex (7) + Hunter's Quarry (1D8) Max = 25 Hit 2: 1[W] (1D10) + Dex (7) Max = 17 If (& only if) both attacks hit + Wis (5) Total Maximum: 47 With attacks that are pretty likely to miss. I don't understand how he is capable of being the best striker & the best defender simultaneously. It's not just that we are complete scrubs & he's power gaming. The rest of us have gone through everything & we can't seem to find a way to compete with that. [/QUOTE]
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