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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 3619227" data-attributes="member: 8158"><p>Hey, look everybody, Mistwell has an opinion! </p><p></p><p>Note that all your rebuttal really amounted to was "Actually, no they're not overpowered. Those are average, most STINK. You're wrong." Really, you're not offering anything substantive; you're just making your own adamant-yet-vague assertions, so how are you any less guilty of the same crimes you're accusing me of--broad brushes and all that?</p><p></p><p></p><p>See, Mist, the chief problem with what you're trying to do here is that it puts a burden on you that few people could carry without stumbling into the territory of hypocrisy. That sentence alone contained everything you accused me of--a wild generalization with vague particulars. I name you Mistwell of the Broad Brush.</p><p></p><p>Here's a wild claim for you: I doubt you know many people more clinical than me. The "Assay Resistance" thread in this forum is actually a good example of what I "usually" do. I present a logical case, talk about it exhaustively, intentionally phrase things in the form of questions to avoid putting words in people's mouths, wait for a suitably articulate rebuttal, and in the end rarely does anybody concede anything or really attempt to mount a counter-arguement. They typically just agree or disagree according to their gut feelings, and that's because that is what self-esteem means to a lot of folks; standing by your gut, and not even feeling like you have to support it (indeed, to do so would be a sign of self-doubt; ever seen <em>Adaptation</em>?). It also happens to require a lot less typing.</p><p></p><p>To be frank, it's fatiguing to put a lot of time and effort into an arguement that's just going to be hand-waived dismissively anyway, so why do it here? You are convinced of your position, it won't shift, yet you think I should provide a dozen examples anyway? </p><p></p><p>As to my "wild exaggerations", the fact is I provided a quick little list of broken things, no more pretentious than other posts made here. <em>You</em> put a magnifying glass on the issue, <em>you</em> chose not to challenge anyone else's "broad strokes". You are the provocateur here. Tell you what, you rise to the occasion this time instead of playing the easy role of the deconstructionist. And this time, I get to be the guy playing the glib "I'm entitled to my opinion" card. It'll be like a vacation.</p><p></p><p>In the interests of you not getting off on the wrong foot, I'll go ahead and point out that asserting authoritative knowledge of what <em>nobody</em> plays based purely on what people you know play is both hyperbolic and a wild claim. Come to think of it, I don't know how solid it is to argue that popularity and brokeness has a strong correlation. How many folks are really doing the Hulking Hurler War Hulk, despite all the threads that mention it? When was the last time you ran into an anthropomorphic baleen whale Frenzied Berserker? I suspect many DM's say no to them, like they'd say "no" to a lot of BoED content. </p><p></p><p>Me? I'd wager there's a stronger correlation between what's broken and what people <em>joke about playing</em>, but don't actually try to get away with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felon, post: 3619227, member: 8158"] Hey, look everybody, Mistwell has an opinion! Note that all your rebuttal really amounted to was "Actually, no they're not overpowered. Those are average, most STINK. You're wrong." Really, you're not offering anything substantive; you're just making your own adamant-yet-vague assertions, so how are you any less guilty of the same crimes you're accusing me of--broad brushes and all that? See, Mist, the chief problem with what you're trying to do here is that it puts a burden on you that few people could carry without stumbling into the territory of hypocrisy. That sentence alone contained everything you accused me of--a wild generalization with vague particulars. I name you Mistwell of the Broad Brush. Here's a wild claim for you: I doubt you know many people more clinical than me. The "Assay Resistance" thread in this forum is actually a good example of what I "usually" do. I present a logical case, talk about it exhaustively, intentionally phrase things in the form of questions to avoid putting words in people's mouths, wait for a suitably articulate rebuttal, and in the end rarely does anybody concede anything or really attempt to mount a counter-arguement. They typically just agree or disagree according to their gut feelings, and that's because that is what self-esteem means to a lot of folks; standing by your gut, and not even feeling like you have to support it (indeed, to do so would be a sign of self-doubt; ever seen [I]Adaptation[/I]?). It also happens to require a lot less typing. To be frank, it's fatiguing to put a lot of time and effort into an arguement that's just going to be hand-waived dismissively anyway, so why do it here? You are convinced of your position, it won't shift, yet you think I should provide a dozen examples anyway? As to my "wild exaggerations", the fact is I provided a quick little list of broken things, no more pretentious than other posts made here. [I]You[/I] put a magnifying glass on the issue, [I]you[/I] chose not to challenge anyone else's "broad strokes". You are the provocateur here. Tell you what, you rise to the occasion this time instead of playing the easy role of the deconstructionist. And this time, I get to be the guy playing the glib "I'm entitled to my opinion" card. It'll be like a vacation. In the interests of you not getting off on the wrong foot, I'll go ahead and point out that asserting authoritative knowledge of what [I]nobody[/I] plays based purely on what people you know play is both hyperbolic and a wild claim. Come to think of it, I don't know how solid it is to argue that popularity and brokeness has a strong correlation. How many folks are really doing the Hulking Hurler War Hulk, despite all the threads that mention it? When was the last time you ran into an anthropomorphic baleen whale Frenzied Berserker? I suspect many DM's say no to them, like they'd say "no" to a lot of BoED content. Me? I'd wager there's a stronger correlation between what's broken and what people [I]joke about playing[/I], but don't actually try to get away with. [/QUOTE]
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