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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brehobit" data-source="post: 3637070" data-attributes="member: 12032">Let's look at 1st level.  Barb vs. Warblade against each other.  Yes, I know the problems with a head-to-head battle, but I don't see a better way to deal with the issue. If we want something more "fair" perhaps have the warblade and the barbarian go up against 2 kobolds, then 2 goblins, then 2 orcs, then 1 gnoll then 1 bugbear, then 1 ogre, etc.  and see who dies first.  I'd guess it will be the barbarian (he can only rage once or if he has extra rage he's missing some other feat (power attack or weapon focus I'd guess) and can only rage 3 times.  Barb & Warblade both have STR 15, CON 14, DEX 13. Hps are 14 and 14, both have AC 15 (say chain shirt and dex) and greatsword.Barbarian rages.  Warblade is in stance that grants +2 AC.AC barb is now 13, WB is 17Barb does 2d6+6 damage, has +5 attack bonus, hits on a 12 or better.WB does 2d6+3, has +3 attack bonus hits on a 10 or better.Average damage from barbarian is 13*.45= 5.85Average damage from WB is 10*.55=5.5_and_ the barbarian has an extra 2 hit points.Doesn't take into account: +1 reflex save from WB (int=12), +10 movement from barbarian, skill lists, or ANY of the warblade's maneuvers.  Assumes warblade is only fighting one person at a time and that the barbarian is only in one fight. Also, barbarians are certainly at their (relative) best at 1st level vs. all other core fighting classes.  Only the Bo9S classes can really keep up at that level.At 3rd level the warblade can have every other attack do +2d6 damage.  That puts him well past the barbarian in terms of damage.  At 4th level it's 2 of every 3.  In that level range the barbarian gets trumped in terms of average damage in a head-to-head fight.Mark</blockquote>

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