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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6661308" data-attributes="member: 6787650">I am the DM, and I allow lots of stuff, whatever is in RAW for the most part[1], although no one has ever gotten a paladin to 11th level yet. If your reading of Divine Smite is correct no one will ever bother doing so either[2], because the ability is marginal even under my reading--an extra 2d8 only when you spend a spell slot (otherwise 1d8) is still not enough to make smiting a good idea, usually. I'll think it over, but if you have a Crawford quote I'd like to see it.[1] A memorable moment: 8th(?) level shadow monk/druid PC and his 1st level buddies snuck into the lair or what turned out to be a CR 12 Chain Worm. One of the 1st level guys got too close and got eaten. While the chain worm was busy eating him (several rounds of contented munching) I expected the 8th level guy to sneak past and run away. Instead the player spent several minutes poring over the books, then came to me with a plan involving his cursed Bag of Devouring: "If I can stuff one of the chain worm's legs in my Bag of Devouring, will it eat the chain worm?" I re-examined the text for Bag of Devouring and saw no reason why not, but told him he doesn't get to control its limbs unless it is stunned. So he used a Stunning Strike on it, which luckily succeeded, and then kept stunning it for several rounds until the Bag of Devouring woke up (50% chance per round) and sucked in the chain worm, right before it would have killed the monk (it had made its final save vs. stunning strike and was still at nearly full health; would have stunned him right back and eaten him). Score: 8400 XP! and some miscellaneous loot like rusty armor, from the lair.[2] Better to invest the last two levels in warlock and become a pallysorlock, although from a RP standpoint that's unlikely to happen--but he might invest in sorc 11 instead of paladin 11 and get Wall of Stone/Mass Suggestion plus 8th level slots.</blockquote>

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