Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
most powerful non wizard sorcerer spells?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 6223640" data-attributes="member: 78958"><p>In my opinion, Arcane Disciple is hardly more than a mediocre option. I usually recommend against it, unless it lets you fill a glaring hole in your build, makes a specific trick possible etc.</p><p></p><p>Reasons:</p><p>1. you can only use the domain spell 1/day, regardless of spell slots;</p><p>2. you need mid to high wisdom to make use of the domain spells, an ability every Sorcerer and their dog dumped through the floor the minute they learned their first cantrip;</p><p>3. you need Knowledge (religion) to even take the feat, not a Sorcerer class skill (and Sorcs have very low skillpoint totals usually);</p><p>4. even item use is restricted to mostly wands, because good luck finding an arcane scroll of Miracle on the free market.</p><p></p><p>So before you skew your whole build to make use of Arcane Disciple, you best have a very clear idea why you want it and what you want it for. If you just want more flexibility where spellcasting is concerned, just shoot for Mage of the Arcane Order, a PrC which refunds your prereq feat investment, doesn't force you into MAD problems, and provides much, much more versatility than Arcane Disciple. If you want more flexible item use, seriously consider dipping a level of Cleric: you get two domains instead of just one, and all the Cleric list on top of those, <em>and </em>you can use divine scrolls. Moreover, you get Turn Undead to fuel Divine and Devotion feats, proficiencies... you name it. Even for a Sorcerer, not a bad dip.</p><p></p><p>That said, I think that the best Sorcerer builds mostly just rely on good spell selection from your class spell list, and a clear idea of what you want to do with your character. Sorcerer 20 may look boring, but is perfectly viable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 6223640, member: 78958"] In my opinion, Arcane Disciple is hardly more than a mediocre option. I usually recommend against it, unless it lets you fill a glaring hole in your build, makes a specific trick possible etc. Reasons: 1. you can only use the domain spell 1/day, regardless of spell slots; 2. you need mid to high wisdom to make use of the domain spells, an ability every Sorcerer and their dog dumped through the floor the minute they learned their first cantrip; 3. you need Knowledge (religion) to even take the feat, not a Sorcerer class skill (and Sorcs have very low skillpoint totals usually); 4. even item use is restricted to mostly wands, because good luck finding an arcane scroll of Miracle on the free market. So before you skew your whole build to make use of Arcane Disciple, you best have a very clear idea why you want it and what you want it for. If you just want more flexibility where spellcasting is concerned, just shoot for Mage of the Arcane Order, a PrC which refunds your prereq feat investment, doesn't force you into MAD problems, and provides much, much more versatility than Arcane Disciple. If you want more flexible item use, seriously consider dipping a level of Cleric: you get two domains instead of just one, and all the Cleric list on top of those, [I]and [/I]you can use divine scrolls. Moreover, you get Turn Undead to fuel Divine and Devotion feats, proficiencies... you name it. Even for a Sorcerer, not a bad dip. That said, I think that the best Sorcerer builds mostly just rely on good spell selection from your class spell list, and a clear idea of what you want to do with your character. Sorcerer 20 may look boring, but is perfectly viable. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
most powerful non wizard sorcerer spells?
Top