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MoTW: Do Frenzy and Rage Stack?
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<blockquote data-quote="LifebaneSoulshadow" data-source="post: 1157656" data-attributes="member: 7475"><p><strong>Frenzied Berz PrC</strong></p><p></p><p>Although initially I as a DM also felt it was an overpowered PrC, having seen it in play 2x now in 2 different campaigns I disagree.  It is overpowered if the DM doesnt enforce the negative aspects of frenzy.</p><p></p><p>(And yes rage stacks with frenzy)</p><p></p><p>Remember the PrC states 'any' damage (from any source) triggers the PC to have to make the Will save or go into a frenzy.  (my players forays into a nasty undead temple with stat draining undead, really worked the frenzied berzerker over as he wasnt triggering frenzy)  </p><p></p><p>Imagine an arrow trap gets triggered and hits the frenzied berzerker.  He takes damage, all around him are his groupmates.  Oh-oh.  Will Save, pray he makes it.</p><p></p><p>Imagine said PC is in an inn or in a town and a fight or riot breaks out.  Someone hits him over the head with a broken bottle or chair.  How many NPCs and townsfolk would he take out before frenzy wore off?  The PC in my game is worried about going in towns at all, for fear he'll lose control and start killing innocents.</p><p></p><p>What happens when the foes are dead and Mr. frenzied berzerker is still frenzied?  Oh my....his fellow adventuring companions look like the bad guys and he turns on them.  Yes there are ways they can protect against him, but still there are many possibilities to bring the negative aspects of this PrC into play to balance out it's obvious power.</p><p></p><p>Lifebane Soulshadow</p><p></p><p>All in all, provided you dont let the character munchkin up in any other ways the PrC alone is fine (at least in my experience), it's powerful, certainly, but not game breaking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LifebaneSoulshadow, post: 1157656, member: 7475"] [b]Frenzied Berz PrC[/b] Although initially I as a DM also felt it was an overpowered PrC, having seen it in play 2x now in 2 different campaigns I disagree. It is overpowered if the DM doesnt enforce the negative aspects of frenzy. (And yes rage stacks with frenzy) Remember the PrC states 'any' damage (from any source) triggers the PC to have to make the Will save or go into a frenzy. (my players forays into a nasty undead temple with stat draining undead, really worked the frenzied berzerker over as he wasnt triggering frenzy) Imagine an arrow trap gets triggered and hits the frenzied berzerker. He takes damage, all around him are his groupmates. Oh-oh. Will Save, pray he makes it. Imagine said PC is in an inn or in a town and a fight or riot breaks out. Someone hits him over the head with a broken bottle or chair. How many NPCs and townsfolk would he take out before frenzy wore off? The PC in my game is worried about going in towns at all, for fear he'll lose control and start killing innocents. What happens when the foes are dead and Mr. frenzied berzerker is still frenzied? Oh my....his fellow adventuring companions look like the bad guys and he turns on them. Yes there are ways they can protect against him, but still there are many possibilities to bring the negative aspects of this PrC into play to balance out it's obvious power. Lifebane Soulshadow All in all, provided you dont let the character munchkin up in any other ways the PrC alone is fine (at least in my experience), it's powerful, certainly, but not game breaking. [/QUOTE]
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