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<blockquote data-quote="ZYG" data-source="post: 60860" data-attributes="member: 864">The quote from the fixed poly spell &quot;Nor can you turn into a variant form of a creature. For example you can turn he subject(sic) into an ogre, but not a half-dragon ogre.&quot; is somewhat misleading in my opinion.&nbsp; You cannot poly yourself into a half-dragon no matter what, because it has the type dragon, and you cannot assume any form with type dragon.I think what the spell istrying to say, is that if you can normally turn yourself into form/shape &quot;A&quot;, that does not automatically imply you can turn into form/shape half-A/half-something else.&nbsp; As a counter example to the half-dragon ogre, a celestial ogre (if such a thing existed in your campaign) would be of type large giant,&nbsp; and you should be able to poly yourself into it.As to the HD advanced creatures, I was really talking about size advanced ones.&nbsp; If a large gargoyle is just an older medium gargoyle, then you should be able to poly into a large one just as easily as into a medium one.&nbsp; Of course, you'd turn into an average medium or an average large one.&nbsp; If you cannot do this, then using greater wild shape to turn into a dragon (shifter level 7) would be really limited because you would only be able to assume one size category of dragons.- Z Y G</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ZYG, post: 60860, member: 864"] The quote from the fixed poly spell "Nor can you turn into a variant form of a creature. For example you can turn he subject(sic) into an ogre, but not a half-dragon ogre." is somewhat misleading in my opinion. You cannot poly yourself into a half-dragon no matter what, because it has the type dragon, and you cannot assume any form with type dragon. I think what the spell istrying to say, is that if you can normally turn yourself into form/shape "A", that does not automatically imply you can turn into form/shape half-A/half-something else. As a counter example to the half-dragon ogre, a celestial ogre (if such a thing existed in your campaign) would be of type large giant, and you should be able to poly yourself into it. As to the HD advanced creatures, I was really talking about size advanced ones. If a large gargoyle is just an older medium gargoyle, then you should be able to poly into a large one just as easily as into a medium one. Of course, you'd turn into an average medium or an average large one. If you cannot do this, then using [I]greater wild shape[/I] to turn into a dragon (shifter level 7) would be really limited because you would only be able to assume one size category of dragons. - Z Y G [/QUOTE]

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