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<blockquote data-quote="TheGogmagog" data-source="post: 3345630" data-attributes="member: 27702">I don't think this is right.&nbsp; A touch spell is a touch spell, even touching an ally in combat should require a touch attack.&nbsp; Usually you don't worry about it in combat since a cleric has better bab than most characters touch AC, or it's out of combat and the target goes flat footed for the round.&nbsp; You can't go flat footed against one ally though, so it's usually not a wise combat choice.&nbsp; Either way, if you can't make an attack at the end of a double movement then you can't deliver the touch spell either.Dross: touching a caster holding the charge does not discharge the spell any way.&nbsp; So don't hold harm then run up to a dragon,&nbsp; and the situation above of the recipient making a touch attack against the caster holding the charge wouldn't discharge the healing.Firelance: the problem isn't when you cast-move-touch, the problem is you are also restricted by the rules of mounted melee combat.&nbsp; You can't cast-double move-touch (unless you can make it a charge, like with a swift spell).&nbsp; You could cast after a double move (80' in the case of riding dog) as long as you have a straight line and continue to run that far again.This is how I understand the rules at least, but wouldn't be surprised to see a DM rule otherwise (either more strict or more lenient).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheGogmagog, post: 3345630, member: 27702"] I don't think this is right. A touch spell is a touch spell, even touching an ally in combat [i]should[/i] require a touch attack. Usually you don't worry about it in combat since a cleric has better bab than most characters touch AC, or it's out of combat and the target goes flat footed for the round. You can't go flat footed against one ally though, so it's usually not a wise combat choice. Either way, if you can't make an attack at the end of a double movement then you can't deliver the touch spell either. Dross: touching a caster holding the charge does not discharge the spell any way. So don't hold harm then run up to a dragon, and the situation above of the recipient making a touch attack against the caster holding the charge wouldn't discharge the healing. Firelance: the problem isn't when you cast-move-touch, the problem is you are also restricted by the rules of mounted melee combat. You can't cast-double move-touch (unless you can make it a charge, like with a swift spell). You could cast after a double move (80' in the case of riding dog) as long as you have a straight line and continue to run that far again. This is how I understand the rules at least, but wouldn't be surprised to see a DM rule otherwise (either more strict or more lenient). [/QUOTE]

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