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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IndyPendant" data-source="post: 2025250" data-attributes="member: 8738">This post isn't going to be riddled with quotes.  Someone else can provide the support if they want.  Hyp, sorry but without a direct quote saying 1h lances get 2xpower attack, you're wrong.Here's why.The idea behind Power Attack is to use a combination of someone's skill (BAB) and Str (+Atk) to allow them to do greater damage.  A 2h weapon gets 2x atk penalty in damage because with both arms swinging, they can apply greater force to the attack.  (For game mechanics, it's also a bit of a bonus for those that don't use shields--but I digress.)Lances get the same bonus that any other weapon does.  Lances *can* be used 1h on a mount, or 2h in either situation (mounted or dismounted).  It's just that movies and books always (always Always *ALWAYS*) use the 1h method.Now.  Of *course*, when charging on a mount and using a lance, someone's going to do more damage.  But this is reflected by the x2 damage-on-a-mounted-charge that you get automatically.  If the rider were wielding the lance 2h at that time, he would get x2 from Power Attack (which would then double, for a x4).  If he's using it 1h, he would only get x1 (which is still doubled, to x2.)See, your flaw Hyp is you're failing to give a *reason* why the lance gets it automatically.  If someone wielded a longsword 1h on a mount, they don't get x2 for PA.  Why the lance?  There is *nothing* inherent in the lance's usage that allows it to use a wielder's strength better than any other 1h weapon.  In fact, you could make valid arguments that it uses that strength worse!Saying the horse is a lot stronger is irrelevant for the purposes of PA.  That greater strength is covered by the x2-on-a-charge part of the damage.If someone could help me with the quotes and the math, that'd be great, thanks. : )Have fun!</blockquote>

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