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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6297383" data-attributes="member: 2067">If the rider takes a move action, does the mount move with them? (Typically, mounts have more speed, but tell that to my thri kreen monk with a Speed of 10. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)...but if I'm a monk and I use a movement technique, do the mount and I both move? So suddenly my camel makes those acrobatic leaps? Or if I'm a fighter using Tide of Iron, the mount and I both get to move into the unoccupied square? ....and now I'm kind of wondering how these interact with stealth...Curious. Brain is percolating with warlord/beastmaster ranger ideas for making my dire tiger do all the dirty work...Hurm. Going from the RAW, it would seem that, for instance, the rider could make a warhorse trample as "their" standard action for the round. Kind of a useful power to have. Especially if a particularly mobile rider transferred that mobility to the mount. Man, in 4e, the trope of a "mounted knight" REALLY does not work with mounts, or with the knight subclass....And if I'm a level 30 fighter and I roll into town and I want to buy a new horse...?Aaaah, useful references all in one place!The forced movement thing I get, but I was less clear on if the rider's action allowed the mount to take the movement, because that can get kind of weird kind of quick. Shifts and 1-square adjustments, sure, but there's a lot of effects that an agile character can get that, if transferred to the mount, suddenly make your 1,000 pound quadruped a highly agile ballerina. I mean, kind of cool in an absurd way, but just a really odd visual.One of those areas of 4e where "the rules for PC's and monsters are different!" could have come in handy. If we had horses as, say, a piece of equipment or something it might be clearer what they can do and how to use them (your sword usually doesn't break, your horse usually doesn't die; you can use weapon powers through your sword, you could use mount powers through your horse; etc.). Giving me interesting ideas....Even that feels like a pretty big power boost for a character (especially a low-level one). And if this is the case, then by RAW, you can make your horse trample without the feat, too (the feat just improves the attack rolls).Heh. There's a lot of wackiness there...Mostly, I was having a hard time imagining the idea that, for instance, a monk on a horse using Eagle Claw Strike's movement technique just makes a frickin' horse fly through the air....but I guess that's the intent?It sounds like the only thing that might be more DM dependent here is the idea that the mounts gain levels with you. So maybe if I'm playing under a more RAW-leaning DM with a mount-focused character, I need to invest in a herd of mustangs to make sure I always have the horse I need. Or possibly (again with the Warlord synergy) some defensive abilities that protect the mount. Hurm....</blockquote>

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