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<blockquote data-quote="Lizard" data-source="post: 4020372" data-attributes="member: 1054"><p>A lot depends on how this is done. Crunch books should give me the "how" (the raw mechanics) and leave the "why" (culture, history, backstory, relations with other races) to me.</p><p></p><p>So "Hobgoblins are disciplined soldiers. They get +1 when within 5' of another hobgoblin." is Crunch. I'm down with that. Er...yo. I will then decide WHY they're soldiers, if there are non-soldier hobgoblins and what they do, how they relate to other races (Hobgoblins are the 'Klingons' of my world, honorable, brutal, warriors who put the LAWFUL in Lawful Evil.)</p><p></p><p>"Hobgoblins were soldiers of the ancient Apos'tro'phe Empire, until they rebelled when they were order to kill their kobold allies, and then they served the ancient lich-king Evillus"...Waste of space. Bugger it. Degree of hatred directly proportional to wasted space. Suddenly talking like Rorschach. Should not reread Watchmen before bed. Use that paragraph to give me a few hobgoblin-specific feats (or their 4e equivalent) I can use to customize my hobgoblins and as a model for adding my own abilities.</p><p></p><p>"Here's a page and a half of a hobgoblin war camp with maps and a bunch of high-level hobgoblins statted out with the rules we already gave you so you could do it yourself."... We hates it! We hates it FOREVER!</p><p></p><p>The fact the gnome will have a "lair" in the MM fills me with dark, cold, dread...</p><p></p><p>(I do not wish to claim this stuff doesn't have a place. I did write Ultimate NPC for Mongoose, after all, part of which was filled with stat blocks. But that was the advertised purpose of the book, and I tried to pack it with original crunch, too. AND NO LAIRS! Encounter tables for places, but NO LAIRS! Sorry. Hate lairs. I'll go away now.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lizard, post: 4020372, member: 1054"] A lot depends on how this is done. Crunch books should give me the "how" (the raw mechanics) and leave the "why" (culture, history, backstory, relations with other races) to me. So "Hobgoblins are disciplined soldiers. They get +1 when within 5' of another hobgoblin." is Crunch. I'm down with that. Er...yo. I will then decide WHY they're soldiers, if there are non-soldier hobgoblins and what they do, how they relate to other races (Hobgoblins are the 'Klingons' of my world, honorable, brutal, warriors who put the LAWFUL in Lawful Evil.) "Hobgoblins were soldiers of the ancient Apos'tro'phe Empire, until they rebelled when they were order to kill their kobold allies, and then they served the ancient lich-king Evillus"...Waste of space. Bugger it. Degree of hatred directly proportional to wasted space. Suddenly talking like Rorschach. Should not reread Watchmen before bed. Use that paragraph to give me a few hobgoblin-specific feats (or their 4e equivalent) I can use to customize my hobgoblins and as a model for adding my own abilities. "Here's a page and a half of a hobgoblin war camp with maps and a bunch of high-level hobgoblins statted out with the rules we already gave you so you could do it yourself."... We hates it! We hates it FOREVER! The fact the gnome will have a "lair" in the MM fills me with dark, cold, dread... (I do not wish to claim this stuff doesn't have a place. I did write Ultimate NPC for Mongoose, after all, part of which was filled with stat blocks. But that was the advertised purpose of the book, and I tried to pack it with original crunch, too. AND NO LAIRS! Encounter tables for places, but NO LAIRS! Sorry. Hate lairs. I'll go away now.) [/QUOTE]
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