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<blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 5341894" data-attributes="member: 3424"><p>For me, the two most important clauses would be: "You can make a Stealth check against an enemy only if you have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy or if you're outside the enemy's line of sight." (Becoming Hidden) and "If you no longer have any cover or concealment against an enemy, you don't remain hidden from that enemy." (Remaining Hidden: Keep Out of Sight).</p><p></p><p>Assuming the PC starts in a square from which he has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy, and moves to another location with a move 6 and a move 2, I would check as follows:</p><p></p><p>1. Does he have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy at the start of his move 6? Does he have at least cover or concealment against the enemy during every point of his move 6? If the answer to either of these questions is "No", then he cannot remain hidden from the enemy at the end of his move 6, and the enemy would be aware of his location at the end of his move 6. </p><p></p><p>2. Similarly, is the PC either already hidden, or does he have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy at the start of his move 2? Does he have at least cover or concealment against the enemy during every point of his move 2? If the answer to either of these questions is "No", then he cannot remain hidden from the enemy at the end of his move 2. </p><p></p><p>It could be that the PC starts in a position in which he has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy, but only has cover or concealment for the rest of his move 6 and move 2. In this case, he has to make a successful Stealth check for his move 6 (at a -5 penalty) or he will not be hidden at the end of that move. If he is not hidden at the end of his move 6, he can no longer try to become hidden because he no longer has superior cover or total concealment at the start of his move 2. However, if he does manage to become hidden, he can attempt a second Stealth check (without penalty) to remain hidden at the end of his move 2.</p><p></p><p>Alternatively the PC could start in a position in which he has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy, and can also move into a position where he has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy at the end of his move 6. In this case, if he fails to make a successful Stealth check at the end of his move 6, he can still attempt to become hidden at the end of his move 2, but the enemy will know where he ended his move 6 and may take this information into account on its turn, e.g. centering an Area burst 2 power on the PC's last known location. </p><p></p><p>As a slight variant on the above, the PC could start in a position where he cannot become hidden, but moves 6 into a position from which he can because he now has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy. I would allow the PC to make a Stealth check for his move 2 without penalty in this case, but as with the above, the enemy will definitely know where the PC ended his move 6.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FireLance, post: 5341894, member: 3424"] For me, the two most important clauses would be: "You can make a Stealth check against an enemy only if you have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy or if you're outside the enemy's line of sight." (Becoming Hidden) and "If you no longer have any cover or concealment against an enemy, you don't remain hidden from that enemy." (Remaining Hidden: Keep Out of Sight). Assuming the PC starts in a square from which he has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy, and moves to another location with a move 6 and a move 2, I would check as follows: 1. Does he have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy at the start of his move 6? Does he have at least cover or concealment against the enemy during every point of his move 6? If the answer to either of these questions is "No", then he cannot remain hidden from the enemy at the end of his move 6, and the enemy would be aware of his location at the end of his move 6. 2. Similarly, is the PC either already hidden, or does he have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy at the start of his move 2? Does he have at least cover or concealment against the enemy during every point of his move 2? If the answer to either of these questions is "No", then he cannot remain hidden from the enemy at the end of his move 2. It could be that the PC starts in a position in which he has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy, but only has cover or concealment for the rest of his move 6 and move 2. In this case, he has to make a successful Stealth check for his move 6 (at a -5 penalty) or he will not be hidden at the end of that move. If he is not hidden at the end of his move 6, he can no longer try to become hidden because he no longer has superior cover or total concealment at the start of his move 2. However, if he does manage to become hidden, he can attempt a second Stealth check (without penalty) to remain hidden at the end of his move 2. Alternatively the PC could start in a position in which he has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy, and can also move into a position where he has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy at the end of his move 6. In this case, if he fails to make a successful Stealth check at the end of his move 6, he can still attempt to become hidden at the end of his move 2, but the enemy will know where he ended his move 6 and may take this information into account on its turn, e.g. centering an Area burst 2 power on the PC's last known location. As a slight variant on the above, the PC could start in a position where he cannot become hidden, but moves 6 into a position from which he can because he now has superior cover or total concealment against the enemy. I would allow the PC to make a Stealth check for his move 2 without penalty in this case, but as with the above, the enemy will definitely know where the PC ended his move 6. [/QUOTE]
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