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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6281790" data-attributes="member: 177">In the stated example in the OP, the players didn't get the same rules.&nbsp; The players rolled individual initiatives, and the monsters had rolled a group.As has been noted, group initiative is great as convenience, but in circumstances where order of actions really deeply matters, it can be unfair.&nbsp; If the duergar had initiatives scattered around the round as you'd normally expect, other members of the party might have been able to fire down the corridor, cast healing on the fighter, or the fighter could choose to retreat part way through, leading duergar into ambush in the room, and so on. Yes, but then how you're going to be working the enemy should be mentioned up front, as I don't expect the player was counting on a full duergar conveyor belt coming at him all on one initiative tick.&nbsp; If the fighter had an action in which he could retreat once he saw the opposition, that might have been a fine idea.&nbsp; The group initiative eliminated that possibility once the round had begun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6281790, member: 177"] In the stated example in the OP, the players didn't get the same rules. The players rolled individual initiatives, and the monsters had rolled a group. As has been noted, group initiative is great as convenience, but in circumstances where order of actions really deeply matters, it can be unfair. If the duergar had initiatives scattered around the round as you'd normally expect, other members of the party might have been able to fire down the corridor, cast healing on the fighter, or the fighter could choose to retreat part way through, leading duergar into ambush in the room, and so on. Yes, but then how you're going to be working the enemy should be mentioned up front, as I don't expect the player was counting on a full duergar conveyor belt coming at him all on one initiative tick. If the fighter had an action in which he could retreat once he saw the opposition, that might have been a fine idea. The group initiative eliminated that possibility once the round had begun. [/QUOTE]

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