Move-equivalent actions & 5 foot steps

[Xar666]

Move-Equivalent Action: Move-equivalent actions take the place of movement in a standard action or take the place of an entire partial action. The combatant can normally also take a 5 foot step.

Mage Hand

Transmutation
Level: Brd 0, Sor/Wiz 0
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: Nonmagical, unattended object weighing up to 5 lb.
Duration: Concentration
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No

The character points a finger at an object and can lift it and move it at will from a distance. As a move-equivalent action, the character can move the object up to 15 feet in any direction, though the spell ends if the distance between the character and the object ever exceeds the spell’s range.


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a. Can a PC move 5-feet, cast Mage Hand (as his Standard action) and then use his Move-equivalent action to manipulate an object?

b. If he does get the 5-foot step, can he take it anytime? For example, before or after the Standard action or between the Standard action and Move-equivalent action or after the Move-equivalent action…etc?

Thanks!

 

[Thanee]

Yes and yes!

You can take the 5' before or after each part of an action, even between attacks when making a full attack action, for example.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Greythax]

I know I am opening up a can of worms on this one, but:

Maybe no (A standard action, i.e., do something, then move or perform a move equivilent action) does not equal a full round action, and a full round action and a partial action are the only things I am aware of that allows a 5' step.

Then again, maybe yes. Without having a book in front of me, I am almost positive there is a verse that states "you are always allowed a 5' step provided you do not make any other movement that round"

If it were one of my players, I would say no, IMHO, a move equivilent action should be counted as a move, even if no movement was involved.

As for question 2, If you let them take a 5' step, then yes, it can happen at any time.


Greythax

 

[RigaMortus]

No you can not get a 5' step AND move the object if you are doing a Standard Action. Standard Actions do not allow a 5' step, they only allow a move. That move can be a 5' step, but then you can't use the rest of the move to "move the object".

 

[kreynolds]

EDIT: DOH! Nevermind.

 

[Thanee]

Not really!

p. 121 PHB Move-Equivalent Action:

"... If you move no actual distance in a round (commonly because you have swapped your move for one or more move-equivalent actions), you can take a 5-foot step either before, during or after the action. ..."

That "one or more move-equivalent actions" irritated me at first, but they probably just speak about a double move standard action there.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Xar666]

No you can not get a 5' step AND move the object if you are doing a Standard Action. Standard Actions do not allow a 5' step, they only allow a move. That move can be a 5' step, but then you can't use the rest of the move to "move the object".

Yes. However, he is using the Standard Action to cast the spell then using his Move-equivalent action to manipulate the object and...

From SRD:

Move-Equivalent Action: Move-equivalent actions take the place of movement in a standard action or take the place of an entire partial action. The combatant can normally also take a 5 foot step.

 

[kreynolds]

Move-Equivalent Action: Move-equivalent actions take the place of movement in a standard action or take the place of an entire partial action. The combatant can normally also take a 5 foot step.

Yup. So long as your move-equivalent action does not actually involve movement, you get the 5-foot step.

 

[Artoomis]

Yes, you can take the 5-foot step, and do it whenever you like in the order of your actions for the round.

The concept that only certain actions "allow" a 5-foot step is flawed. Certain actions will prevent you from taking a 5-foot step. Those are the ones that have any movement associated with them.

If you are not otherwise prevented from doing so, and if you do not otherwise move, you can take a 5-foot stpe during your part of the round.

 

[DWattsoner]

The answer is yes.

Everyone seems to think that along with your standard action and move, you get a 5' step. it's more along the lines you can move up to 5' during a round without it counting as a move, thus you can use a move-equilivent (misspelled) action also.