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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 497367" data-attributes="member: 96">Been trying to post this for days...rassle frassin' header problems...Here's the flaw:Walking is not moving at half your movement rate.&nbsp; It is moving at your normal movement rate, because movement is measured per round - if you have Speed 30, then your normal move per round is 30' and half your movement rate is 15'.Taking a double move and going more than 30' in a round is not your normal movement rate - it is moving faster than normal. (Note that you can't keep it up for very long according to the overland travel rules.)Thus, one full round of Move Silently (at no penalty) = 15' of motion.What you are proposing - doing a double move of 15' and then 15' - is moving at your normal rate (30' per round), not moving at half speed (15' per round).&nbsp; The confusion sets in because speed is measured in feet per round, and yet it happens to be the same distance that you can hustle in a single move.Consider this: if you move 30' and attack someone, you are hustling (jogging) over to them - we know this from the PHB quotes I posted above.&nbsp; When you hustle, you are moving double your move rate (60') - we also know this from the PHB.&nbsp; The reason you only get half as far (30') is because you're stopping to do something else - it's a coincidence that this happens to be the same as your normal speed, which is where all the confusion sets in.If you were to walk over and hit someone, you would only be able to move 15' - you can walk 30' per round, but you only get half as far because you stop to do something else.If you were moving silently, you would halve your speed - so you could move 15' in a full round, or 7.5' combined with some other action.I hope that's a bit clearer, and shows where the 30'/round vs. 30'/move confusion sets in.J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 497367, member: 96"] Been trying to post this for days...rassle frassin' header problems... Here's the flaw: Walking is [i]not[/i] moving at half your movement rate. It is moving at your normal movement rate, because movement is measured per round - if you have Speed 30, then your normal move per round is 30' and half your movement rate is 15'. Taking a double move and going more than 30' in a round is not your normal movement rate - it is moving faster than normal. (Note that you can't keep it up for very long according to the overland travel rules.) Thus, one full round of Move Silently (at no penalty) = 15' of motion. What you are proposing - doing a double move of 15' and then 15' - is moving at your normal rate (30' per round), not moving at half speed (15' per round). The confusion sets in because speed is measured in feet per round, and yet it happens to be the same distance that you can hustle in a single move. Consider this: if you move 30' and attack someone, you are hustling (jogging) over to them - we know this from the PHB quotes I posted above. When you hustle, you are moving double your move rate (60') - we also know this from the PHB. The reason you only get half as far (30') is because you're stopping to do something else - it's a coincidence that this happens to be the same as your normal speed, which is where all the confusion sets in. If you were to walk over and hit someone, you would only be able to move 15' - you can walk 30' per round, but you only get half as far because you stop to do something else. If you were moving silently, you would halve your speed - so you could move 15' in a full round, or 7.5' combined with some other action. I hope that's a bit clearer, and shows where the 30'/round vs. 30'/move confusion sets in. J [/QUOTE]

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