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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 497761" data-attributes="member: 96">You're right, it doesn't.&nbsp; But 30' per move action is a jog - we've established that - and moving at a jog is hardly 'normal'.&nbsp; (Try jogging everywhere for a day, you'll get strange looks, I guarantee it.)Everyone saying you should be able to MS for 30' in one round is assuming that a 'hustle' is 'normal speed', which I can see no basis for.I'd also like to point, under the Listen check skill descriptions, that the armored people attempting to use Move Silently untrained are listed as going 10'/round (medium armor) and 15'/round (no armor) - half the speed per round that they'd get to move at a walk.The flaw to my mind is that jogging/hustling is a) not 'normal' movement, and b) not conducive to Moving Silently.a) is borne out by the fact that you cannot keep up a hustle for more than one hour of overland travel without starting to make Con rolls.&nbsp; b) is common sense.Another flaw I see is apparently assuming that Move Silently will always be used in combat.&nbsp; I think that in general, it will be used more out of combat, where &quot;normal&quot; speed is a walk, not a jog - and thus meaning you move 15' a round while moving silently.Why do you think that a jog makes more sense than a walk as the definition of &quot;normal&quot; speed for a primarily out-of-combat skill?Why do you think moving silently should be just as fast as walking normally, without any penalty to the skill roll?If you can move at a walking pace just as easily as at half a walking pace, why are the people in the Listen example walking more slowly, when there is no benefit to doing so?J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 497761, member: 96"] You're right, it doesn't. But 30' per move action is a jog - we've established that - and moving at a jog is hardly 'normal'. (Try jogging everywhere for a day, you'll get strange looks, I guarantee it.) Everyone saying you should be able to MS for 30' in one round is assuming that a 'hustle' is 'normal speed', which I can see no basis for. I'd also like to point, under the Listen check skill descriptions, that the armored people attempting to use Move Silently untrained are listed as going 10'/round (medium armor) and 15'/round (no armor) - half the speed per round that they'd get to move at a walk. The flaw to my mind is that jogging/hustling is a) not 'normal' movement, and b) not conducive to Moving Silently. a) is borne out by the fact that you cannot keep up a hustle for more than one hour of overland travel without starting to make Con rolls. b) is common sense. Another flaw I see is apparently assuming that Move Silently will always be used in combat. I think that in general, it will be used more out of combat, where "normal" speed is a walk, not a jog - and thus meaning you move 15' a round while moving silently. Why do you think that a jog makes more sense than a walk as the definition of "normal" speed for a primarily out-of-combat skill? Why do you think moving silently should be just as fast as walking normally, without any penalty to the skill roll? If you can move at a walking pace just as easily as at half a walking pace, why are the people in the Listen example walking more slowly, when there is no benefit to doing so? J [/QUOTE]

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