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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 499106" data-attributes="member: 96">I had a long post replying to kreynolds, but I'm not sure it's worth it.&nbsp; K, I apologize if you felt I was rude.&nbsp; I'm feeling a lot of frustration right now for various reasons, and that can come out in my writing.Anyway, to summarize. The central question of this entire discussion is this: &quot;What is 'normal speed', as defined in the Move Silently skill description?&quot;&nbsp; I (and Souljourner, and the other folks on 'our side') think that 'normal speed' is clearly meant to be 'walking speed', for several reasons:&nbsp;
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<li data-xf-list-type="ol">It is the speed that can be kept up for a full day of travel.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">It is the speed that one is assumed to be moving at when not in combat situations (and most move silently checks are not performed during combat situations).&nbsp; </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">When looking at the DCs for the Listen skill, the speeds given as examples are half of the target's walking speed. 
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kreynolds, if I understand your argument correctly, you believe that 'normal speed' is 'hustle speed' because that is the amount of distance you cover when moving (that is to say, jogging) for one MEA in combat time.&nbsp; I'm not sure how that could ever be considered 'normal', unless people in your world jog everywhere, but to each his own.&nbsp; If Move Silently was primarily a combat skill, I might be able to be convinced that a hustle is considered 'normal', but in my experience it is generally performed outside of (usually before) combat, where 'normal' = 'walk'. 
 
Like Souljourner, I'm done here.&nbsp; I've convinced myself, and that's the only thing that really matters. 
 
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[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 499106, member: 96"] I had a long post replying to kreynolds, but I'm not sure it's worth it. K, I apologize if you felt I was rude. I'm feeling a lot of frustration right now for various reasons, and that can come out in my writing. Anyway, to summarize. The central question of this entire discussion is this: "What is 'normal speed', as defined in the Move Silently skill description?" I (and Souljourner, and the other folks on 'our side') think that 'normal speed' is clearly meant to be 'walking speed', for several reasons: [list=1][*]It is the speed that can be kept up for a full day of travel. [*]It is the speed that one is assumed to be moving at when not in combat situations (and most move silently checks are not performed during combat situations). [*]When looking at the DCs for the Listen skill, the speeds given as examples are half of the target's walking speed. [/list=1] kreynolds, if I understand your argument correctly, you believe that 'normal speed' is 'hustle speed' because that is the amount of distance you cover when moving (that is to say, [i]jogging[/i]) for one MEA in combat time. I'm not sure how that could ever be considered 'normal', unless people in your world jog everywhere, but to each his own. If Move Silently was primarily a combat skill, I might be able to be convinced that a hustle is considered 'normal', but in my experience it is generally performed outside of (usually before) combat, where 'normal' = 'walk'. Like Souljourner, I'm done here. I've convinced myself, and that's the only thing that really matters. J[/list] [/QUOTE]

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