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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 499904" data-attributes="member: 96">OK, I'll give it another shot.The 'speed' at the top of your character sheet is just a distance, it's not a speed, though.  It's just '30 feet'.  30 feet per what?  Per round?  If 'normal speed' is 30 feet per round (which is what Souljourner and I think), then you should be able to go 15 feet per round when moving silently, without taking a penalty.  If you try to go more than 15 feet in one round but up to 30 (say, by taking two moves of 15 ft each), you should take a -5 penalty. Per move action? I don't understand why you would think this is 'normal'.  To me, it is pretty clear that it is your 'normal speed', doubled because your hustling, and then halved because you're only hustling for one move action (half the time).  Sure, you come out with the same figure, but you're really moving twice as fast, you're just doing it over a shorter period of time.But K, I'm not the one trying to change movement rates!  That's what's so frustrating about this discussion - you say things like this, which I completely agree with, and then you go on to measure movement rates differently in combat and non-combat situations, which is what I've been trying to point out to you.Okay! So a hustle is faster than normal.  We both agree on that.Move Silently says "You can move up to one-half your normal speed with no penalty."  Not up to one-half your faster-than-normal hustle speed.Your 'normal speed' is 30 ft per 6 seconds (a walk).  (That's 15 feet per move action, BTW, since we're not hustling.)  When you move silently, therefore, you can move up to half of that (15 ft/round, or 7.5 ft per move action) without penalty.When you use the combat speeds to say 'Mr. Sneaky should be able to go 15 feet in a single move action', you are not figuring based on one-half the normal speed.  You are figuring on one-half the 'hustle' speed, which is twice as fast as normal. (If you hustle, you move 60 ft in one round, or 30 ft in one move action, as opposed to 30/15.)  But Move Silently doesn't say 'half your hustle speed' in the skill description.  It says 'half your normal speed'.So, as near as I can tell, it's your viewpoint that directly conflicts with the core rules, unless you believe that the definition of 'normal speed' changes in combat.  I don't think it does - I think that in combat you are generally moving faster than normal, that being what a 'hustle' is.  So. to me, figuring out the speeds of someone moving silently based on the 'hustling' combat speed seems not only counterintuitive but outright wrong.J</blockquote>

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