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<blockquote data-quote="The Souljourner" data-source="post: 502967" data-attributes="member: 1622">[edit]&nbsp; I'm all for declaring the discussion over, and just agreeing to disagree.&nbsp; I actually wasn't going to post again, but... well we all know how easy it is to get dragged back into these things. [/edit]Can I ask that everyone please calm down just a bit?&nbsp; Things are getting pretty heated, and that's never a good sign.&nbsp; I know it's frustrating when something is so clearly obvious to you, and yet you can't get someone else to see it.&nbsp; However, if we all just take a breath and try to be polite, we're much more likely to actually get somewhere.I don't think tactical in that table means &quot;in one move action&quot;.&nbsp; It's a high level description of the time frame.&nbsp; Tactical time frame means when you're keeping track of things round by round.&nbsp; Local timeframe means when you're keeping track of things minute by minute.&nbsp; Overland is when you're keeping track of things in hours or days.When the villain says &quot;Your sister will plunge into the liquid hot magma in exactly 30 seconds&quot;, you start keeping track of time tactically, i.e. round by round.&nbsp; By the same token, if that same villain said you had one hour, you'd start keeping track of movement by minutes (i.e. local time).I have to agree with drnuncheon and say that in that table, they're all dealing with full rounds of nothing but movement.&nbsp; That much should be obvious when it says &quot;walk - 30'&quot;.&nbsp; We've already decided that walking 30' in a round takes a double move, right?&nbsp; So, do you really think for the one round (tactical) column, they actually didn't mean &quot;Walk&quot;?&nbsp; I don't understand why they would do that.I understand that 7.5' per round sucks to deal with... but what about when dwarves in medium armor try to make a move action at walking speed?&nbsp; That's 7.5' too.&nbsp; -Nate, aka The Souljourner</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Souljourner, post: 502967, member: 1622"] [edit] I'm all for declaring the discussion over, and just agreeing to disagree. I actually wasn't going to post again, but... well we all know how easy it is to get dragged back into these things. [/edit] Can I ask that everyone please calm down just a bit? Things are getting pretty heated, and that's never a good sign. I know it's frustrating when something is so clearly obvious to you, and yet you can't get someone else to see it. However, if we all just take a breath and try to be polite, we're much more likely to actually get somewhere. I don't think tactical in that table means "in one move action". It's a high level description of the time frame. Tactical time frame means when you're keeping track of things round by round. Local timeframe means when you're keeping track of things minute by minute. Overland is when you're keeping track of things in hours or days. When the villain says "Your sister will plunge into the liquid hot magma in exactly 30 seconds", you start keeping track of time tactically, i.e. round by round. By the same token, if that same villain said you had one hour, you'd start keeping track of movement by minutes (i.e. local time). I have to agree with drnuncheon and say that in that table, they're all dealing with full rounds of nothing but movement. That much should be obvious when it says "walk - 30'". We've already decided that walking 30' in a round takes a double move, right? So, do you really think for the one round (tactical) column, they actually didn't mean "Walk"? I don't understand why they would do that. I understand that 7.5' per round sucks to deal with... but what about when dwarves in medium armor try to make a move action at walking speed? That's 7.5' too. -Nate, aka The Souljourner [/QUOTE]

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