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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 503409" data-attributes="member: 96">It has nothing to do with me not liking it, it has to do with it not being there.  All you need to do is show me where 'tactical walk' is defined as a hustle.I think I understand where you believe your proof comes from, and unfortunately it is a logical fallacy.  I have studied your words over and over again, and every time it has come up, you have used the first entry of Table 9-3 to prove it - but that is what we are discussing the meaning of!  You can't use something to prove itself, all you get is circular reasoning.I believe that you are trying to say that, because you can move 30' and then take a standard action, that must be what the first entry on Table 9-3 is referring to, because it says 30'.  Allow me to illustrate why this is not so using logical principles.Dogs are mammals.A cat is a mammal.Therefore, a cat is a dog.I think that we can agree that this is a fallacious statement - 'dog' is a member of the set 'mammals', but it is not the only member of that set.Now, replace 'dog' with 'hustling for 3 seconds and performing a standard action'.  Replace 'mammal' with 'an action that lets you move thirty feet in one round'.  And replace 'a cat' with 'walking for 6 seconds'.Hustling for 3 seconds and performing a standard action is an action that lets you move thirty feet in one round.Walking for 6 seconds is an action that lets you move thirty feet in one round.Therefore, walking for 6 seconds is hustling for 3 seconds and performing a standard action.That is what you seem to be claiming - and it is just as false as the 'dog' statement above.  Hustling for one move action and then doing something else does indeed move you 30' - but that in no way proves that that is what Table 9-3 is talking about.Look at it again, but this time replace 'walking' with 'moving 15 feet in each of your two move actions'.  Now you get: moving 15 feet in each of your two move actions is hustling for 3 seconds and performing a standard action.Obviously that conclusion is nonsensical.J</blockquote>

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