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<blockquote data-quote="maddman75" data-source="post: 503616" data-attributes="member: 2673">I think I know the crux of the matter.drnuncheon has stated that he rarely sees MS in combat, mostly its an out of combat skill in his game.&nbsp; THat is the complete opposite for me -- move silently usually come within combat, or just before it.&nbsp; Its a matter of perspective.For drn, the overland movement table listing speed is more important, because that's the speeds that people do stuff like move silently with.&nbsp; MS in combat is a special case.For myself, MS is combat related and associated with actions.&nbsp; With combat, your normal speed - again, emphaisizing that the term 'walk' has NEVER been shown to be included in the Move Silently desciption - is the speed at the top of the character sheet, or listed in the monster stat block.&nbsp; MS says you go half your normal speed.&nbsp; So a human could MS for 15' with no penalty in a MEA, since they could go 30' normally.ANd yes, I know all about the position with the walk versus hustle, and I really don't think they should be applied.&nbsp; It doesn't matter that you are hustling - what is halved if your normal speed.&nbsp; If the designers intended a human to only MS a square and a half during combat, they would have indicated quartering the speed, not halving it.Ultimately, it boils down to &quot;What did the designers mean when they referred to your Normal speed in the MS description.&quot;&nbsp; I and Kreynolds feel this means the speed on your character sheet.&nbsp; drnuncheon and others feel this means the speed derived by looking at the overland movement table.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="maddman75, post: 503616, member: 2673"] I think I know the crux of the matter. drnuncheon has stated that he rarely sees MS in combat, mostly its an out of combat skill in his game. THat is the complete opposite for me -- move silently usually come within combat, or just before it. Its a matter of perspective. For drn, the overland movement table listing speed is more important, because that's the speeds that people do stuff like move silently with. MS in combat is a special case. For myself, MS is combat related and associated with actions. With combat, your normal speed - again, emphaisizing that the term 'walk' has NEVER been shown to be included in the Move Silently desciption - is the speed at the top of the character sheet, or listed in the monster stat block. MS says you go half your normal speed. So a human could MS for 15' with no penalty in a MEA, since they could go 30' normally. ANd yes, I know all about the position with the walk versus hustle, and I really don't think they should be applied. It doesn't matter that you are hustling - what is halved if your normal speed. If the designers intended a human to only MS a square and a half during combat, they would have indicated quartering the speed, not halving it. Ultimately, it boils down to "What did the designers mean when they referred to your Normal speed in the MS description." I and Kreynolds feel this means the speed on your character sheet. drnuncheon and others feel this means the speed derived by looking at the overland movement table. [/QUOTE]

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