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<blockquote data-quote="NPC" data-source="post: 369634" data-attributes="member: 7124">In this game I'm a player but I'm normally the DM, so that's why I'm interested in how this would be ruled.&nbsp; Also, the other DM sometimes defers to me on rules issues, since he doesn't know them as well as I do.Am I a rules lawyer?&nbsp; Absolutely.&nbsp; We play our game as closely by the rules as possible.&nbsp; So we often pipe in and offer opinions if a questionable rules interpretation is being put forth.Anyway, as to why the rogue would want to move silently and tumble, here's the answer.&nbsp; Our rogue was invisible and in a threatened square.&nbsp; He had been detected by a huge snake in the previous round.&nbsp; He wanted to tumble away to another square and not provoke an AoO from the snake that had detected him.&nbsp; He also wanted to try and hide from all enemies.&nbsp; As you know, you're not silent when invisible, so invisible creatures need to set listen DC's while they're moving around.&nbsp; If a successful listen check is made, you know which square the invisible enemy is in.Our rogue wanted to set the highest possible listen DC, and was therefore against having a tumbling penalty added to his move silent check.&nbsp; It was kind of a complicated situation, my apologies for not explaining it very well.Do I have it out for the rogue?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Not at all.&nbsp; It benefits the party if the rogue can tumble silently.&nbsp; It makes him that much more deadly.&nbsp; I'd just like to know if it's by the rules or not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NPC, post: 369634, member: 7124"] In this game I'm a player but I'm normally the DM, so that's why I'm interested in how this would be ruled. Also, the other DM sometimes defers to me on rules issues, since he doesn't know them as well as I do. Am I a rules lawyer? Absolutely. We play our game as closely by the rules as possible. So we often pipe in and offer opinions if a questionable rules interpretation is being put forth. Anyway, as to why the rogue would want to move silently and tumble, here's the answer. Our rogue was invisible and in a threatened square. He had been detected by a huge snake in the previous round. He wanted to tumble away to another square and not provoke an AoO from the snake that had detected him. He also wanted to try and hide from all enemies. As you know, you're not silent when invisible, so invisible creatures need to set listen DC's while they're moving around. If a successful listen check is made, you know which square the invisible enemy is in. Our rogue wanted to set the highest possible listen DC, and was therefore against having a tumbling penalty added to his move silent check. It was kind of a complicated situation, my apologies for not explaining it very well. Do I have it out for the rogue? No. Not at all. It benefits the party if the rogue can tumble silently. It makes him that much more deadly. I'd just like to know if it's by the rules or not. [/QUOTE]

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