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<blockquote data-quote="jontherev" data-source="post: 373595" data-attributes="member: 1451">Hmm, well first of all, I'm not sure I agree that a listen check pinpoints the exact 5' square of an invisible foe.&nbsp; Maybe if they are really close by, but what if they were 150' away from you?&nbsp; I don't think so.&nbsp; I will have to check the DMG on that rule unless someone else would like to post the rule.&nbsp; I think you have to make a DC 20 Spot check and a Listen check (modified by Move Silent) to know which square he's in.&nbsp; Or, as a move-equivalent action, you can grope around in one square to see if anything occupies it.The rule is actually irrelevant in this case anyway.&nbsp; Let's say you made your Listen check and spotted the invisible foe.&nbsp; Fine.&nbsp; So, now you know where he is exactly (until he moves again).&nbsp; You still can't see him and you still don't know what he is doing.&nbsp; Making one Listen check does not mean you get temporary Blindsight.&nbsp; Unless you have the ears of Superman, you can't tell whether he is about to start a grapple with you (usually provoking an AoO), pull out a potion and drink it, bind a wound, or cast a spell in melee (assuming the vocal component can be used at the very end).Actually, the snake would not sense many of these actions which provoke AoO's either.&nbsp; He could sense movement related AoO's, but that's about it...and maybe casting a spell (smell the component used) in melee.&nbsp; YMMV.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jontherev, post: 373595, member: 1451"] Hmm, well first of all, I'm not sure I agree that a listen check pinpoints the exact 5' square of an invisible foe. Maybe if they are really close by, but what if they were 150' away from you? I don't think so. I will have to check the DMG on that rule unless someone else would like to post the rule. I think you have to make a DC 20 Spot check and a Listen check (modified by Move Silent) to know which square he's in. Or, as a move-equivalent action, you can grope around in one square to see if anything occupies it. The rule is actually irrelevant in this case anyway. Let's say you made your Listen check and spotted the invisible foe. Fine. So, now you know where he is exactly (until he moves again). You still can't see him and you still don't know what he is doing. Making one Listen check does not mean you get temporary Blindsight. Unless you have the ears of Superman, you can't tell whether he is about to start a grapple with you (usually provoking an AoO), pull out a potion and drink it, bind a wound, or cast a spell in melee (assuming the vocal component can be used at the very end). Actually, the snake would not sense many of these actions which provoke AoO's either. He could sense movement related AoO's, but that's about it...and maybe casting a spell (smell the component used) in melee. YMMV. [/QUOTE]

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