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<blockquote data-quote="jontherev" data-source="post: 373997" data-attributes="member: 1451">Who is &quot;you&quot;?&nbsp; Please do not use pronouns when you are obviously replying to multiple people.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I don't see how this is unbalancing.&nbsp; So what?&nbsp; The rogue, with his ring of Invisibility, can waltz around his enemies unbeknownst to them until he finally decides to attack.&nbsp; Big deal.&nbsp; Explain how this is unbalancing.&nbsp; A Cleric of this level can bring someone back from the DEAD!&nbsp; Now, give him Improved Invisibility, and it becomes a little worse, but not any worse than a wizard with the spell popping fireballs on top of the whole party and no one having a clue where they are coming from.&nbsp; Sorry, I just don't see how it's unbalancing.&nbsp; Perhaps if you explained why...?But you'd need to pick the correct square to attack too.&nbsp; And, if he's moving away from you, by the time you hear him move, I'd say he's already out of range unless you have reach.&nbsp; I'll say it again, Listen checks do not Blindsight make.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; You simply don't get the same benefit here as you would if you had See Invisible up...not with normal hearing anyway.&nbsp; Or, at the very least, set some really high DC's if someone is trying to notice every single noise emanating from the invisible creature.Ok, I agree.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; How did those other than the snake know which square he was in?&nbsp; How did they know they were threatened?&nbsp; Did they make their Listen and Spot checks?Right on.&nbsp; The thing is, you are INVISIBLE.&nbsp; You want to sheathe your sword?&nbsp; Fine, line up the tip of the sword to the scabbard as usual, but with no worries of incoming AoO's (because they have no idea what you are doing), and then look up and let the sword fall into it's home.&nbsp; All your Listen Check will tell you is that you heard a sword being sheathed.&nbsp; Eyesight would have given you the foresight to AoO.&nbsp; Hearing is more like hindsight.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Really?<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes&nbsp; &nbsp; :rolleyes:"&nbsp; data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />&nbsp; I suppose you think my opinion on this matter makes Invisibility a munchkin's wet dream?&nbsp; If so, please provide something besides sheer opinion, like examples or something.&nbsp; I don't see it as unbalancing at all.Did you not catch the joke?&nbsp; The original poster of the comment had a smaller post count than the other guy.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; Welcome aboard mate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jontherev, post: 373997, member: 1451"] [B][/b] Who is "you"? Please do not use pronouns when you are obviously replying to multiple people.:D I don't see how this is unbalancing. So what? The rogue, with his ring of Invisibility, can waltz around his enemies unbeknownst to them until he finally decides to attack. Big deal. Explain how this is unbalancing. A Cleric of this level can bring someone back from the DEAD! Now, give him Improved Invisibility, and it becomes a little worse, but not any worse than a wizard with the spell popping fireballs on top of the whole party and no one having a clue where they are coming from. Sorry, I just don't see how it's unbalancing. Perhaps if you explained why...? [b][/b] But you'd need to pick the correct square to attack too. And, if he's moving away from you, by the time you hear him move, I'd say he's already out of range unless you have reach. I'll say it again, Listen checks do not Blindsight make.:D You simply don't get the same benefit here as you would if you had See Invisible up...not with normal hearing anyway. Or, at the very least, set some really high DC's if someone is trying to notice every single noise emanating from the invisible creature. [b][/b] Ok, I agree.:D How did those other than the snake know which square he was in? How did they know they were threatened? Did they make their Listen and Spot checks? [b][/b] Right on. The thing is, you are INVISIBLE. You want to sheathe your sword? Fine, line up the tip of the sword to the scabbard as usual, but with no worries of incoming AoO's (because they have no idea what you are doing), and then look up and let the sword fall into it's home. All your Listen Check will tell you is that you heard a sword being sheathed. Eyesight would have given you the foresight to AoO. Hearing is more like hindsight.:D [b][/b] Really?:rolleyes: I suppose you think my opinion on this matter makes Invisibility a munchkin's wet dream? If so, please provide something besides sheer opinion, like examples or something. I don't see it as unbalancing at all. Did you not catch the joke? The original poster of the comment had a smaller post count than the other guy.:D Welcome aboard mate. [/QUOTE]

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