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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 231791" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>The general consensus on the boards is that the passage you're referring to applies primarily to iterative attacks from high BAB and attacks from two weapon fighting.</p><p></p><p>Other ways of getting extra attacks have their conditions specified in them.</p><p></p><p>Attacks of opportunity occur when an opponent provokes them. They are an exception to the full action rule. (Although, like most exceptions they are not specifically listed).</p><p></p><p>Cleave can be used whenever the character drops a foe by bringing him below 0 hit points. (This is another exception that is not specifically listed).</p><p></p><p>A weapon of Speed grants an extra attack "whenever" you attack. The specified condition ("whenever you attack") takes precedence over the general full attack rule just like it does for attacks of opportunity and cleave.</p><p></p><p>Haste is another kettle of fish entirely. Haste gives an extra partial action before or after the standard action. You can use the haste partial action for anything you can use a normal partial action for. Consequently all of the following are legal:</p><p>1. Haste: partial charge. Standard action: full attack</p><p>2. Haste: cast a spell. Standard action: full attack.</p><p>3. Haste: Cast a spell. Standard action: partial attack. Move equivalent action: move</p><p>4. Standard action: full attack. Haste partial charge</p><p>5. Standard action: cast a spell. Move equivalent action: move. Haste: partial attack.</p><p>I could go on but I suspect I've made my point. The full attack rule applies to haste in the following way: it is not possible to make all your iterative attacks twice in one round because haste only grants a partial action (enough for a partial attack but not a full attack action). Therefore, you can attack at +6/+1 and use the haste partial action for another +6 attack but since you don't have a second standard action you can't make the secondary attack with the haste action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 231791, member: 3146"] The general consensus on the boards is that the passage you're referring to applies primarily to iterative attacks from high BAB and attacks from two weapon fighting. Other ways of getting extra attacks have their conditions specified in them. Attacks of opportunity occur when an opponent provokes them. They are an exception to the full action rule. (Although, like most exceptions they are not specifically listed). Cleave can be used whenever the character drops a foe by bringing him below 0 hit points. (This is another exception that is not specifically listed). A weapon of Speed grants an extra attack "whenever" you attack. The specified condition ("whenever you attack") takes precedence over the general full attack rule just like it does for attacks of opportunity and cleave. Haste is another kettle of fish entirely. Haste gives an extra partial action before or after the standard action. You can use the haste partial action for anything you can use a normal partial action for. Consequently all of the following are legal: 1. Haste: partial charge. Standard action: full attack 2. Haste: cast a spell. Standard action: full attack. 3. Haste: Cast a spell. Standard action: partial attack. Move equivalent action: move 4. Standard action: full attack. Haste partial charge 5. Standard action: cast a spell. Move equivalent action: move. Haste: partial attack. I could go on but I suspect I've made my point. The full attack rule applies to haste in the following way: it is not possible to make all your iterative attacks twice in one round because haste only grants a partial action (enough for a partial attack but not a full attack action). Therefore, you can attack at +6/+1 and use the haste partial action for another +6 attack but since you don't have a second standard action you can't make the secondary attack with the haste action. [/QUOTE]
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