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"Moves into" vs. "enters"
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<blockquote data-quote="jeffwik" data-source="post: 4959420" data-attributes="member: 9739"><p>Well, the FAQ entry seems pretty cut-and-dry on the fact that I was wrong about forced movement making a difference in terms of powers that trigger on "moves into," since the specific example (harrowstorm and wall of fire) is just such a case. So that's good to know.</p><p></p><p>However I'm increasingly unconvinced that the opportunity attack permitted by Polearm Gamble obeys the usual rules for what does and doesn't provoke it -- the feat says explicitly "when a nonadjacent enemy enters a square adjacent to you, you can make an opportunity attack with a polearm against that enemy." You can make that attack however the enemy entered the square; it doesn't say anything about you can make an opportunity attack "provided this movement would provoke an opportunity attack if you were standing over on the other side of the enemy and you were threatening a different square he was moving out of." Clearly the attack is an opportunity action, which means you can make only one of them per enemy's turn, but other than that the usual rules about OAs and what doesn't and doesn't provoke them wouldn't seem to apply; the feat creates a new condition wherein OAs apply.</p><p></p><p>If an enemy shifts into a square adjacent to a character with Polearm Gamble, I would certainly let the character take the opportunity attack, regardless of the general rule that shifting doesn't provoke OAs. </p><p></p><p>Now, the definition of teleportation, too, says that it doesn't provoke OAs, but it also says that these rules apply "unless a power or a ritual specifies otherwise," and I have no problem reading "a power or a ritual" as "a power, a ritual, a class feature, a paragon path feature, an epic destiny feature, a feat, a magic item property, etc, etc." Though I suppose a strict constructionist view of RAW disagrees heartily with that interpolation.</p><p></p><p>So the more I look at it the more I'm inclined to say that Polearm Gamble should trigger on an ensnaring swordmage's aegis.</p><p></p><p>Would a hypothetical feat (epic, no doubt) that said "when an enemy shifts into a square adjacent to you, you can make an opportunity attack" be a valid feat, or would it be oxymoronic nonsense? I'm inclined to say the former.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jeffwik, post: 4959420, member: 9739"] Well, the FAQ entry seems pretty cut-and-dry on the fact that I was wrong about forced movement making a difference in terms of powers that trigger on "moves into," since the specific example (harrowstorm and wall of fire) is just such a case. So that's good to know. However I'm increasingly unconvinced that the opportunity attack permitted by Polearm Gamble obeys the usual rules for what does and doesn't provoke it -- the feat says explicitly "when a nonadjacent enemy enters a square adjacent to you, you can make an opportunity attack with a polearm against that enemy." You can make that attack however the enemy entered the square; it doesn't say anything about you can make an opportunity attack "provided this movement would provoke an opportunity attack if you were standing over on the other side of the enemy and you were threatening a different square he was moving out of." Clearly the attack is an opportunity action, which means you can make only one of them per enemy's turn, but other than that the usual rules about OAs and what doesn't and doesn't provoke them wouldn't seem to apply; the feat creates a new condition wherein OAs apply. If an enemy shifts into a square adjacent to a character with Polearm Gamble, I would certainly let the character take the opportunity attack, regardless of the general rule that shifting doesn't provoke OAs. Now, the definition of teleportation, too, says that it doesn't provoke OAs, but it also says that these rules apply "unless a power or a ritual specifies otherwise," and I have no problem reading "a power or a ritual" as "a power, a ritual, a class feature, a paragon path feature, an epic destiny feature, a feat, a magic item property, etc, etc." Though I suppose a strict constructionist view of RAW disagrees heartily with that interpolation. So the more I look at it the more I'm inclined to say that Polearm Gamble should trigger on an ensnaring swordmage's aegis. Would a hypothetical feat (epic, no doubt) that said "when an enemy shifts into a square adjacent to you, you can make an opportunity attack" be a valid feat, or would it be oxymoronic nonsense? I'm inclined to say the former. [/QUOTE]
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