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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 1999451" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>This thread is a spur off of the ever popular "<a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=114950&page=4" target="_blank">Stupidest Move Ever</a> " thread and as Mallus suggests on page 5, it is worthy of a new thread.</p><p></p><p>So, to familiarize you with the meat of what I'd like this thread to talk about this is what I had to say about the metaphor found in the Matrix, if you don't want to read the whole thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's more, and I think the other stuff is worthy, but I don't want to quote myself too much. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>And so Mallus responds:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So does what I say have merit? That a metaphor must stand up to the rigors of careful examination and found sound? Or does Mallus have the proper view that because metaphors don't set out to "prove" anything, they should not be examined in the same what that a premises-premises-conclusion type argument is?</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>Broadly, my contention is that the world presented in the Matrix sequels falls short because the background presented does not flow. That the metaphor presented is flawed because there lacks in that world a logical progression from the human world of today to that world. The choices made by humanity and cyberity do not make sense. And it is because of the problem with the world that the message presented by the moves fails. Humanity need not fear reaching that point because it does not make sense that we would ever come to that point.</p><p></p><p>The Matrix suceeded because it didn't bother explaining the world, it merely showed it how it was. Reloaded and Revolutions failed because they tried to explain it, and fell short.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>Opinions?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 1999451, member: 3929"] This thread is a spur off of the ever popular "[URL=http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=114950&page=4]Stupidest Move Ever[/URL] " thread and as Mallus suggests on page 5, it is worthy of a new thread. So, to familiarize you with the meat of what I'd like this thread to talk about this is what I had to say about the metaphor found in the Matrix, if you don't want to read the whole thing. There's more, and I think the other stuff is worthy, but I don't want to quote myself too much. :) And so Mallus responds: So does what I say have merit? That a metaphor must stand up to the rigors of careful examination and found sound? Or does Mallus have the proper view that because metaphors don't set out to "prove" anything, they should not be examined in the same what that a premises-premises-conclusion type argument is? --- Broadly, my contention is that the world presented in the Matrix sequels falls short because the background presented does not flow. That the metaphor presented is flawed because there lacks in that world a logical progression from the human world of today to that world. The choices made by humanity and cyberity do not make sense. And it is because of the problem with the world that the message presented by the moves fails. Humanity need not fear reaching that point because it does not make sense that we would ever come to that point. The Matrix suceeded because it didn't bother explaining the world, it merely showed it how it was. Reloaded and Revolutions failed because they tried to explain it, and fell short. --- Opinions? [/QUOTE]
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