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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5190677" data-attributes="member: 82106">I think in the case of an unconscious person the process might reasonably be a bit different though. Breaking the grab by force moving the grabber works OK for the case of an actively resisting target but a helpless target is no different than any other object and it wouldn't be a good precedent to have objects fall out of people's hands because they are force moved.There really are a LOT of ways to handle it. Personally I'd have the other character succeed in a grab attempt vs the mezzodaemon. At that point both of them have hold of the helpless character and the issue can be resolved by the normal rules for escaping a grab. Once this situation is established then forced movement presumably would work normally. This is probably the quickest and closest to RAW method.</blockquote>