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Moving out of concealment to attack - when is stealth broken?
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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8201732" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Is the DM ruling the target is surprised? That has some impact IMO.</p><p></p><p>If yes, then you move out attack once with advantage, attack without advantage, and move back. You can use your bonus action to hide. Since the target is surprised (and you won initiative) the target cannot take reactions so no OA against you. If you lost initiative, the target can make an OA when you move back to hide. Since you can't disengage and hide (both would use your bonus action), hopefully the DM ruled surprise.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise, if the target is <em>not</em> surprised (since the enemy is aware you are around), then no advantage. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> If they see you coming, you make the attacks normally. When you move back into the darkness you can attempt to hide if you a bonus action to do it. Since they aren't surprised, they can use their reaction to get an OA on you.</p><p></p><p>If you are using the optional facing rules, the target might have to use its reaction to change its facing to see you coming. This would negate any advantage you have, but since it used its reaction to change facing, you wouldn't have to worry about an OA at least.</p><p></p><p>For you to gain advantage, you have to decide if moving into light exposes you enough for the target to see you before you attack. As I mentioned, JC's advice is a 5-foot move is ok to maintain the "hidden" element, but more than that (if the target sees you) and you are no longer hidden. I agree with that but others will run it how they want.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8201732, member: 6987520"] Is the DM ruling the target is surprised? That has some impact IMO. If yes, then you move out attack once with advantage, attack without advantage, and move back. You can use your bonus action to hide. Since the target is surprised (and you won initiative) the target cannot take reactions so no OA against you. If you lost initiative, the target can make an OA when you move back to hide. Since you can't disengage and hide (both would use your bonus action), hopefully the DM ruled surprise. Otherwise, if the target is [I]not[/I] surprised (since the enemy is aware you are around), then no advantage. 🤷♂️ If they see you coming, you make the attacks normally. When you move back into the darkness you can attempt to hide if you a bonus action to do it. Since they aren't surprised, they can use their reaction to get an OA on you. If you are using the optional facing rules, the target might have to use its reaction to change its facing to see you coming. This would negate any advantage you have, but since it used its reaction to change facing, you wouldn't have to worry about an OA at least. For you to gain advantage, you have to decide if moving into light exposes you enough for the target to see you before you attack. As I mentioned, JC's advice is a 5-foot move is ok to maintain the "hidden" element, but more than that (if the target sees you) and you are no longer hidden. I agree with that but others will run it how they want. [/QUOTE]
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