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<blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 3735104" data-attributes="member: 10177">The reason we ahven't answered that question specifically is because there is no &quot;official&quot; or specifc answer. You can adapt it. How you do so is entirely up to you.All I can tell you is how I adapted it. Which I think I already deescribed earlier in this thread. IF not I'll come back and copy/paste my house rules into this.Ourph,I did answer your question. TN is 12 + the HD of the opponent(s).&nbsp;So for a Whirlwind you had better be doing it against low HD opponents or it will quickly become impossible to do. A Whirlwind would be possible agains 6, maybe 10 1 HD creatures, but become nearly impossible, or at least highly unlikely against 2 HD creatures, since the CL would be either 6x2HD=CL12, so TN 24, or 10x2=CL 20, so TN 32.In C&amp;C no one is going to Whirlwing against creatures even close to their own level. Maybe against two creatures. IE your 10 th level and your fighting two 8th levels, so the CL would be 2x8HD=CL 16, so TN 28. You can &quot;whirlwind&quot; against both of them if you roll an 18 or higher on your SIEGE check.Definitely not as powerful as it would be in 3E, but powerful in the power scale of C&amp;C.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Treebore, post: 3735104, member: 10177"] The reason we ahven't answered that question specifically is because there is no "official" or specifc answer. You can adapt it. How you do so is entirely up to you. All I can tell you is how I adapted it. Which I think I already deescribed earlier in this thread. IF not I'll come back and copy/paste my house rules into this. Ourph, I did answer your question. TN is 12 + the HD of the opponent(s). So for a Whirlwind you had better be doing it against low HD opponents or it will quickly become impossible to do. A Whirlwind would be possible agains 6, maybe 10 1 HD creatures, but become nearly impossible, or at least highly unlikely against 2 HD creatures, since the CL would be either 6x2HD=CL12, so TN 24, or 10x2=CL 20, so TN 32. In C&C no one is going to Whirlwing against creatures even close to their own level. Maybe against two creatures. IE your 10 th level and your fighting two 8th levels, so the CL would be 2x8HD=CL 16, so TN 28. You can "whirlwind" against both of them if you roll an 18 or higher on your SIEGE check. Definitely not as powerful as it would be in 3E, but powerful in the power scale of C&C. [/QUOTE]

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