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<blockquote data-quote="Ourph" data-source="post: 3735655" data-attributes="member: 20239">Actually, you are correct, C&amp;C does contain specific rules that semi-replicate the old 1e rules about Fighters getting multiple attacks against 1HD creatures (which I believe the 3e Whirlwind Attack feat is based on).&nbsp; It's probably not the best example to use.&nbsp; Since you claim that in C&amp;C &quot;all characters have all feats&quot; then it shouldn't matter what example we use.&nbsp; Let's focus instead on a metamagic feat, like Empower Spell.&nbsp; Where are the rules that cover the mechanical effects of Empower Spell in C&amp;C?&nbsp; Note that I'm not asking for the rules that cover how to determine success or failure (it's the SIEGE mechanic which I understand quite well and don't need explained again), I'm asking for the rules that tell you the mechanical effects of succeeding at the SIEGE check.I understand the OGL perfectly, thanks and this interpretation is, in fact, quite inaccurate.&nbsp; Since the feat descriptions for core D&amp;D are part of the SRD it's actually quite acceptable for a 3rd party OGL product like C&amp;C to include those descriptions in its text verbatim if the publishers desire.&nbsp; That is beside the point, however, because I'm not arguing in any way that C&amp;C should incorporate those descriptions or would be a better game for it.&nbsp; I am pointing out that, since it doesn't, it's inaccurate to assert that &quot;all characters in C&amp;C have all feats&quot;.&nbsp; C&amp;C doesn't have a feat system, nor does it contain enough information to replicate the mechanical effects of the 3e feat system without importing information from other games or creating new rules from whole cloth.&nbsp; I hoped that I had repeated that premise enough that we would all be clear about what I am and am not saying by now.&nbsp;&nbsp; :\</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ourph, post: 3735655, member: 20239"] Actually, you are correct, C&C does contain specific rules that semi-replicate the old 1e rules about Fighters getting multiple attacks against 1HD creatures (which I believe the 3e Whirlwind Attack feat is based on). It's probably not the best example to use. Since you claim that in C&C "all characters have all feats" then it shouldn't matter what example we use. Let's focus instead on a metamagic feat, like Empower Spell. Where are the rules that cover the mechanical effects of Empower Spell in C&C? Note that I'm not asking for the rules that cover how to determine success or failure (it's the SIEGE mechanic which I understand quite well and don't need explained again), I'm asking for the rules that tell you the mechanical [U]effects[/U] of succeeding at the SIEGE check. I understand the OGL perfectly, thanks and this interpretation is, in fact, quite inaccurate. Since the feat descriptions for core D&D are part of the SRD it's actually quite acceptable for a 3rd party OGL product like C&C to include those descriptions in its text verbatim if the publishers desire. That is beside the point, however, because I'm not arguing in any way that C&C should incorporate those descriptions or would be a better game for it. I am pointing out that, since it doesn't, it's inaccurate to assert that "all characters in C&C have all feats". C&C doesn't have a feat system, nor does it contain enough information to replicate the mechanical effects of the 3e feat system without importing information from other games or creating new rules from whole cloth. I hoped that I had repeated that premise enough that we would all be clear about what I am and am not saying by now. :\ [/QUOTE]

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