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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5097955" data-attributes="member: 71571">Superior/total is irrelevent.&nbsp; You've -made- the check, so you only need normal to maintain it.&nbsp; What you need superior/total for is when you make a steath check as part of a normal action.&nbsp; Outside that case, you do not.----------Is there a meaningful difference between being hidden until the end of the action and having all the benefits of being hidden until the end of the action?The difference, in practical terms, isn't important enough to worry about.&nbsp; There MIGHT be a corner case where you have a power that kicks in when you become unhidden that also happens to be a free action... but other than that singular instance, it doesn't matter a bit.----------Yes.&nbsp; Technically, as soon as he makes the attack, however that doesn't affect him mechanically until after the -action- is complete.However:After the attack, the stealth roll is irrelevant; he is not hidden, unless the power somehow allows you to make a check to -remain- hidden.Not Remaining Hidden: If you take an action that causes you not to remain hidden, you retain the benefits of being hidden until you resolve the action. You can’t become hidden again as part of that same action.Well, it doesn't matter when he loses it.&nbsp; He still has the full benefit of being hidden (including enemies not being able to see him, important for opportunity attacks) until after the -action- is complete.&nbsp; However, it shouldn't be a problem, after the action is complete, he doesn't get to make his stealth roll because one can not become unhidden and become hidden in the same action.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5097955, member: 71571"] Superior/total is irrelevent. You've -made- the check, so you only need normal to maintain it. What you need superior/total for is when you make a steath check as part of a normal action. Outside that case, you do not. ---------- Is there a meaningful difference between being hidden until the end of the action and having all the benefits of being hidden until the end of the action? The difference, in practical terms, isn't important enough to worry about. There MIGHT be a corner case where you have a power that kicks in when you become unhidden that also happens to be a free action... but other than that singular instance, it doesn't matter a bit. ---------- Yes. Technically, as soon as he makes the attack, however that doesn't affect him mechanically until after the -action- is complete. However: After the attack, the stealth roll is irrelevant; he is not hidden, unless the power somehow allows you to make a check to -remain- hidden. [B]Not Remaining Hidden:[/B] If you take an action that causes you not to remain hidden, you retain the benefits of being hidden until you resolve the action. [B]You can’t become hidden again as part of that same action.[/B] Well, it doesn't matter when he loses it. He still has the full benefit of being hidden (including enemies not being able to see him, important for opportunity attacks) until after the -action- is complete. However, it shouldn't be a problem, after the action is complete, he doesn't get to make his stealth roll because one can not become unhidden and become hidden in the same action. [/QUOTE]

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