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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3523458" data-attributes="member: 22779">Honestly, while I would like pack animals to be part of the game, it really isn't going to happen.  It's just far too easy to do without.  Mending/create food and water gets by pretty much all the problems of travel, and carrying can be done pretty easily usually.The problem is, mounts and pack animals are just too fragile to take on adventures.  We don't cart around 3rd level commoners with us, which are about the same size as a mule or a pack horse hp wise.  So, why would we take horses?  The first fireball or breath weapon and all your horses are belong to us.  Never mind the first undead attack which bolts all your pack animals all over the place.  Never mind that PC's are generally traveling in places where you simply can't take a horse.  Thunderfoot mentions traveling in a jungle.  I'm very, very certain that he never took a pack animal in a jungle.  It would survive about three days and then die of any number of problems.  I always find it funny that people cry about realism but haven't a clue what actually happens when you try to do what they advocate.  Between the heat, bugs, water, disease, having to hack a much larger path through the jungle and a number of issues I can't think of right now, taking a mule in the jungle is about as stupid an idea as you can get.Mules and pack animals need trails at the very least.</blockquote>