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Multi-attack actions = one attack or three?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5241678" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>The argument is easy to see if you step back for a second.</p><p></p><p>The intent is that the Fighter has to be included in any attack power. Otherwise, close bursts wouldn't work as they do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is crystal clear from this terminology that when we are talking a Close Burst Attack, we are not talking attack rolls, we are talking Attack Power.</p><p></p><p>This does not state "attack roll". It states, attack.</p><p></p><p>Let's take an example of a monster with the Fighter template who has Fighter powers:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>According to your literal and restrictive definition, this power would provoke Combat Challenge because the secondary attack is not against the Fighter.</p><p></p><p>The foe attacked the Fighter, but that isn't good enough. Intent from your definition of intent is that all such secondary attacks must also target the Fighter, even though they are all part of a single "Encounter Attack" power. They are all part of the same attack action.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I now bring us back to "attack" vs. "attack roll".</p><p></p><p>In this case, the target used his "Passing Attack" encounter <strong>ATTACK</strong> power against the Fighter. He didn't use every attack roll against the Fighter, but he did use this attack against the Fighter.</p><p></p><p>Ditto for every single close burst attack that targets the Fighter.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not see anything in the rules that in order for a creature to target multiple foes with an attack power, all of those attacks must be against the Fighter or he gets Combat Challenge.</p><p></p><p>This is called a rules interpretation. In your case, you interpret every single basic attack roll from a Hydra as a separate attack. In my case, I interpret every single attack power as part of a single attack action.</p><p></p><p>So, the rules intent here from my perspective: When you use an attack power, if you do not attack the Fighter with that power, then he gets a Combat Challenge attack against the marked creature. If you do, then he doesn't.</p><p></p><p>The rules intent of Combat Challenge is met.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It all depends on how one interprets the single word "attack" in the Combat Challenge power.</p><p></p><p>I choose to interpret that word to mean "attack power" or "attack action", not individual attack rolls. I can understand your interpretation, but I think your interpretation is too restrictive when a Fighter fights a Hydra or other multi-attack creature. From a rules and intent perspective, a multi-attack from a Hydra should be no different than a creature that does a Close Burst attack with its claws. IMO.</p><p></p><p>Did it include the Fighter in its attack action? Yes. If so, no Combat Challenge. The Fighter already sucked up one attack. He did his job.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5241678, member: 2011"] The argument is easy to see if you step back for a second. The intent is that the Fighter has to be included in any attack power. Otherwise, close bursts wouldn't work as they do. It is crystal clear from this terminology that when we are talking a Close Burst Attack, we are not talking attack rolls, we are talking Attack Power. This does not state "attack roll". It states, attack. Let's take an example of a monster with the Fighter template who has Fighter powers: According to your literal and restrictive definition, this power would provoke Combat Challenge because the secondary attack is not against the Fighter. The foe attacked the Fighter, but that isn't good enough. Intent from your definition of intent is that all such secondary attacks must also target the Fighter, even though they are all part of a single "Encounter Attack" power. They are all part of the same attack action. I now bring us back to "attack" vs. "attack roll". In this case, the target used his "Passing Attack" encounter [b]ATTACK[/b] power against the Fighter. He didn't use every attack roll against the Fighter, but he did use this attack against the Fighter. Ditto for every single close burst attack that targets the Fighter. I do not see anything in the rules that in order for a creature to target multiple foes with an attack power, all of those attacks must be against the Fighter or he gets Combat Challenge. This is called a rules interpretation. In your case, you interpret every single basic attack roll from a Hydra as a separate attack. In my case, I interpret every single attack power as part of a single attack action. So, the rules intent here from my perspective: When you use an attack power, if you do not attack the Fighter with that power, then he gets a Combat Challenge attack against the marked creature. If you do, then he doesn't. The rules intent of Combat Challenge is met. It all depends on how one interprets the single word "attack" in the Combat Challenge power. I choose to interpret that word to mean "attack power" or "attack action", not individual attack rolls. I can understand your interpretation, but I think your interpretation is too restrictive when a Fighter fights a Hydra or other multi-attack creature. From a rules and intent perspective, a multi-attack from a Hydra should be no different than a creature that does a Close Burst attack with its claws. IMO. Did it include the Fighter in its attack action? Yes. If so, no Combat Challenge. The Fighter already sucked up one attack. He did his job. [/QUOTE]
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